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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
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Subject: Re: Not another NeXT defector???!!!
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Date: 13 Nov 90 23:59:51 GMT
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In article <525@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (Quaestor) writes:
>In article <1990Nov13.054334.22595@agate.berkeley.edu> knrgroup@garnet.berkeley.edu (Raymond group) writes:
>>So, why buy a Mac IIsi, Mac II, Mac IIci, Mac SE/30, et al, since you could
>>buy a NeXT for about the same price or MUCH cheaper in some cases. 
>
>  BUUUUUZZZZZZZ!!!!  Thank you for playing.
>
>  I think you should come down from your NeXT superority complex and argue
>with the facts, not lies.
>  WE ALL KNOW that one (at a Univ) can acquire a IIsi for $3000 and a SE/30
>for $2500.  Unless NeXT has made some drastic price cuts, I think you are
>wrong.

Please.  I don't think he was that far off.  Part of the point of this whole
long discussion was that NeXT *has* made some drastic price cuts (while
increasing performance drastically with the 68040 in the new machines).

So one more time:  the NeXTStation can be bought at a university for $3150.
(There are of course variations per university pricing policy, as with Macs.)

$3150 is pretty darn close to $3000.  It's even not that far from $2500 of
the SE/30 (and UCLA is selling the 80MB SE/30 for $2900).  So he
exaggerated a little bit for those two machines, but not much.

And of course, the NeXTStation is "MUCH cheaper in some cases", i.e.
to the only Mac that comes within the same magnitude of performance
as the NeXT, the IIfx (and also to the Mac IIci).

>  So NeXT time you post, please state the facts correctly.  Yes this is a
>heated debate and you can get really infuriated (I know I have :), but let's
>try and tell the truth, okay?

I would certainly agree with this.

And once again, to those few vocal people that keep telling this
discussion to go away, there *are* people learning from it (as some have
posted as saying), and it certainly pertains to the Mac (and which directions
it should go).  If you don't like it, either learn how to use your "Kill"
command or get a decent piece of software that *has* a kill command.

- Trent Lange

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