Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!dimacs.rutgers.edu!seismo!uunet!ogicse!cvedc!gssc!geoffs From: geoffs@gssc.UUCP (Geoff Shapiro) Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms Subject: Re: Which graphics-adapter is best?` Message-ID: <6455@gssc.UUCP> Date: 15 Nov 90 20:28:08 GMT References: <1519@berlioz.nsc.com> <6452@gssc.UUCP> <1990Nov14.225552.4015@agate.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa, na Organization: Graphic Software Systems, Inc. Beaverton, Or. Lines: 82 In article <1990Nov14.225552.4015@agate.berkeley.edu> c60c-3fz@web-1e.berkeley.edu (In Sik Rhee) writes: >In article <6452@gssc.UUCP> geoffs@gssc.UUCP (Geoff Shapiro) writes: >>In article <1519@berlioz.nsc.com> my@berlioz.UUCP (Michael Yip) writes: >>>Anyhow, the NEC Graphics Engine is a good card, but I would >>>probably buy the Hercule one just to support the American >>>inductrial. ;) >>> >>>-- Mike >>> my@dtg.nsc.com >> >>My company designed the MGE for NEC and we wrote the software for it. By >>buying a NEC MGE you ARE supporting American industry! Besides, how many >>parts on the Hercules Graphics Station really were made in the good old >>US of A anyway? >> >> > >Zap me if I'm wrong, but doesn't NEC stand for Nippon Electronics Corporation >or something like that? It's one of the largest Japanese Electronics Firms >out there... I don't see how buying a Japanese product would support >American industry. I don't think that I really want to get into an extended you're right, I'm right, type of argument (but a short argument might be fine 8-)). BUT, have you ever heard of royalties? Every MGE which is sold helps to pay my paycheck. I'm American, born in New York, working in Oregon. My company is American. So, it is true that buying MGE cards does go towards supporting American industry. And how much of the American public gets fooled into buying American without really knowing where the product they are buying is produced? It's real common (especially in the computer and auto industry) for American companies to sell products manufactured in countries where it is cheaper to make. This whole argument is muddied by reality. >As for Hercules, they're located about 2 miles from where I sit, right >in Berkeley, CA. and to the best of my knowledge, their product (the Yep, Hercules is undoubtedly an American corporation, no argument there. But like I said in my original message -- do you actually know how many parts on the Graphics Station card were manufactured in and bought from American companies by Hercules? Maybe I am wrong, but I would be willing to bet that a major percentage of the components on the card are bought from Japanese companies. >Graphics Station) is far superior than the NEC Graphics Engine, which >I think is becoming obsolete... True, the Graphics Engine is a standard, Just your opinion (as you state below). I have many messages from people on Compuserve that would love to argue this point with you. >but it's been out in the market for a while... while it may have been >a great innovation at its release, it hasn't really gone anywhere as far >as newer implementations, etc (kind of like the Video-7 VRAM card) What other features do competing 34010 cards offer that the MGE doesn't? Sure, the Graphics Station offers 24 bpp but have you noticed the plethora of sw which supports that mode (or lack of it)? and the speed at which the sw which does, runs? The MGE still has innovations on it which make it superior for text output and pattern fills which haven't yet been matched by other 34010 cards. And as far as price/performance (from a previous msg by you), please give me some solid figures as far as the base price of the Graphics Station (and what you get for that price). What does it take in terms of any additional upgrades and money for those upgrades to get the adapter to run at 1024x768x256? I'd like some info here because I am ignorant of the Graphics Station's pricing structure. >Just my opinions... I'm in no way affliated with Hercules, blah blah etc Thanks. I am (indirectly) affiliated with NEC but still feel that my opinions are fairly objective. Now perhaps we could return this newsgroup back to issues more relevant to Microsoft Windows? -- UUCP: tektronix!sequent!gssc!geoffs INTERNET: geoffs@gssc.gss.com PHONE: (503) 641-2200 USMAIL: Graphic Software Systems * GSS is a wholly owned subsidiary * 9590 S.W. Gemini Dr. * of Spectragraphics, Corp. * Beaverton, OR 97005 USA