Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!info-high-audio-request From: Steve_Graham@ub.cc.umich.edu Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Subject: digital recording: DAT vs. 601 (Boo to the RIAA) Message-ID: <7584@uwm.edu> Date: 12 Nov 90 14:22:43 GMT Sender: news@uwm.edu Lines: 48 Approved: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Last night, recording the U. of Mich. Men's Glee Club, I found myself using a Panasonic SV 3700 (I think) DAT machine. I've seen DAT machines before, but this is the first one I've had any hands-on experience with. It has a number of useful features and I found it a pleasure to use, though the book could be better--I never did find out the difference between a "skip ID" and a "start ID" (can anyone clarify this?) At WUOM we currently use Sony PCM-601 ESD digiboxes to record digital audio on videocassettes. Since we haven't got our first DAT machines yet, I had to make a copy from the DAT original. Thanks to the RIAA and other silly greedy people I wasn't able to make a direct digital clone: There's this thing called the Serial Copy Management System or some such thing, which is designed to placate the RIAA people who think that DAT's ability to clone CD's will kill their sales. The way it works is this: you will be allowed to make a DAT copy of your CDs in the digital domain, but the DAT copy cannot be copied digitally. (Of course you can still copy it through the analog line out jacks.) The Panasonic DAT machine lets you decide how your original recording will be flagged: you can set it so that anyone can make unlimited clones, so that no clones at all are allowed, or so that a single clone can be made as discussed above. The latter is the default setting, which I used without thinking. Theoretically, therefore, I should have been able to make a direct digital clone of this master DAT tape. However the Sony 601 was made before the SCMS came into being, and apparently it recognized that there was *some* sort of copy-protect flag, and refused to make the clone. I was able to clone a test recording I made later with the copy protection turned off, but as soon as I came to the "real" recording, the "copy prohibit" light came on on the 601, and it stopped recording (the digital signal just went away). So, if any of you might be thinking of doing similar things, be aware that you need to set the SCMS flag to "unlimited copies". (As an interesting aside, I was surprised to find that the "digital in" RCA jack on the Sony 601 could accept data from both the EIA RCA digital output jack, and from the AES ("professional standard") XLR digital output jack with equal ease, as far as I could tell.) My first impressions of the sound of the DAT machine were favorable. Although the comparison is unfair, during dubbing I listened to both the DAT and 601 via their respective headphones jacks and found the DAT much more enjoyable. In comparison the Sony seemed spiky and hard, cold, "digital". It is unfair because the Sony had an extra d/a and a/d conversion in the chain, and because the headphone amps may not represent the true sound of the devices. But it confirmed the general impression I had while doing the original recording with the DAT deck. At the risk of sounding rather "California", the DAT seemed more "organic". However, I emphasize that this is a first impression.