Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!gateway From: turpin@cs.utexas.EDU (Russell Turpin) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Female human aesthetics Summary: To which men do you want to appeal? Message-ID: <14515@cs.utexas.edu> Date: 10 Nov 90 22:48:59 GMT References: <9011012313.AA11775@rpp386.Cactus.ORG> <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu> Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 34 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu ----- In article <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, carioca@ucscb.ucsc.edu (fOoDFoOdfOoDiTYfooD!) writes: > ... Women are expected to be beautiful so that they can win the > attention of men. We are taught that being as beautiful as > possible is the only chance we have to get a boyfriend husband. > Pick up a copy of _Mademoiselle_ or _Vogue_ next time you're > at the supermarket or 7-11, and read the text that goes along with > your average fashion spread. There are *constant* references to > how attractive you'll be *to men* if you wear this dress or that > brand of lipstick. ... The question is: to *which* men does one want to appeal? Some of us are turned off by the look and behavior promoted in these magazines. Of course, we likely the men who are considered "less than eligible". The word "eligible" (or whatever current phrase is used in the same way) is frequently used in these magazines to qualify men, and is laden with connotations. What makes a man "more" or "less" eligible? Why are these the men that (these magazines imply) a woman wants to sexually attract? What is wrong with the men who are not "eligible"? Yes, there is a social game being played. If looked at only one way, it might appear that men are controlling women, by dictating what is attractive. Looked at another, it might appear that women are controlling men, by determing who is "eligible" for a relationship. In fact, such games have a social momentum that is not fully under the control of any of the participants. Before complaining about the different status of some other group in the game, perhaps one should question whether the game should be played at all. What does it mean to step outside the game? Russell