Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!ora!daemon From: rshapiro@arris.com (Richard Shapiro) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Female human aesthetics Message-ID: <1990Nov11.171709.25842@arris.com> Date: 16 Nov 90 02:40:51 GMT References: <9011012313.AA11775@rpp386.Cactus.ORG> <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu> <658245246@lear.cs.duke.edu> Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: ARRIS Pharmaceutical, Cambridge, MA Lines: 54 Approved: ambar@ora.com In article <658245246@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) writes: >In article <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu> (fOoDFoOdfOoDiTYfooD!) writes: >>I disagree completely. Women are expected to be beautiful so that >>they can win the attention of men. >But they can win the attention of men without being very beautiful. >... >The fact is that even in a female-only env. (army, jail) most >women still try to look as beautiful as possible... What this shows is only that wanting to be "beautiful" is much more of an unconscious process, a part of one's identity and self-image, than a conscious process of wanting to be attractive. Women are, in our society, objects of spectacle MUCH more than men are: the movies make this clear even more than advertising, fashion magazines etc. A little review of feminist film criticism is probably in order here. The earliest articles, especially Laura Mulvey's highly influential "Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema", make this point most strongly: the position of spectator is a male one, that of spectacle a female one. Men look, women are looked at. According to Mulvey, this is fundamental to the pleasures of (Hollywood) cinema, pleasures which are available to women only if they adopt a male viewing position. Of course these spectator/spectacle roles are purely social conventions -- it happens to be this way for one social reason or other, but certainly not due to biology or hormones or any inevitable law of nature. In other words, this is an aspect of the oppression of women (since the position of spectator is clearly the more powerful one), not a cause of it, except insofar as existing social facts tend to replicate themselves from one generation to the next. More recent articles have taken issue with some of Mulvey's conclusions. Or rather the simple conclusions have been made more problematic. One very interesting article on the general topic of spectacle and gender, but which approaches it from fashion rather than cinema, is "Fragments of a Fashionable Discourse", by Kaja Silverman (in STUDIES IN ENTERTAINMENT, ed by Tania Modleski). Silverman considers the history of what she calls The Great Masculine Renunciation (of fashion and, consequently, male spectacle). In a concluding paragraph, she writes Class distinctions have "softened" and gender distinctions have "hardened" since the end of the 18th century. In other words, sexual difference [in dress] has become the primary marker of power, privilege, and authority, closing the specular gap between men of different classes, and placing men and women on opposite sides of the great visual divide [ie, spectator and spectacle]. The most recent issue of Camera Obscura is dedicated to the problems of gender and spectacle, and features brief articles by both Mulvery and Silverman, as well as many other feminist theorists.