Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!ora!daemon From: jeffd@techbook.com (Jeff Danforth) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Female human aesthetics Message-ID: <1990Nov12.161218.14529@techbook.com> Date: 16 Nov 90 02:41:11 GMT References: <9011012313.AA11775@rpp386.Cactus.ORG> <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu> Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix Lines: 35 Approved: ambar@ora.com In article <8654@darkstar.ucsc.edu> carioca@ucscb.ucsc.edu (fOoDFoOdfOoDiTYfooD!) writes: >.......... Women are expected to be beautiful so that >they can win the attention of men. We are taught that being as >beautiful as possible is the only chance we have to get a boyfriend/ >husband. Pick up a copy of _Mademoiselle_ or _Vogue_ next time you're >at the supermarket or 7-11, and read the text that goes along with >your average fashion spread. There are *constant* references to >how attractive you'll be *to men* if you wear this dress or that brand >of lipstick. If it were really about attaining something for yourself, >then there would be far more references to self-confidence and fewer Before I begin, let me say I have "unsubscribed" to soc.men because it DOES seem to represent the worst sorts of stereotypes men are so often accused of. Oh, well. Aargh! Now, on all this "Personal Grooming Products" stuff and women's sense of need re: appearance - Anyone not too squeamish might try reading a classic book, "Feminine Psychology" by Karen Horney. It is guaranteed to infuriate some of you. I read this book last year thinking it might help me understand and better relate to women. What I came away with was a better understanding of myself is about all - or at least a view of some of the potentially darker potentials we might all have. It's not very uplifting, but if might be interesting. The author's thesis, recognizing she is a Freudian psychoanalyst, is pretty much based on classical Freudian lines. I hesitate to be more explicit, knowing I may be blasted. I just READ the book - I didn't write it. -- jeffd@techbook.COM ( Jeff Danforth )