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From: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: what feminism has done FOR men
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Date: 16 Nov 90 02:41:40 GMT
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In article <18940@oolong.la.locus.com> (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>Feminism has given men the freedom to be human beings.  They no longer have
>to posture.  They no longer have to be all knowing, all powerful bread
>winners caring for half the population 

In a situation where there is a record number of divorce cases, and
men are the ones who pay, in *most* cases, child's support (and in
some case alimony), Judy tells us that men don't have to be bread
winners anymore...

The choice of a divorced man is either to work harder or not to have
family, but of course he does not have to work too hard...

We run all these debates before, and the general feminist response was
that all the above should not be blamed on feminism, but on the
society in large.  I think that similar argument can be applied on
what Judy says.  She did not bring any data to support her notion that
all the good changes are a result of feminism.

But I have a deeper disagreement with her.

We still have the situation where men live 10% less; it seems to me as
a result of cultural pressures on men.  She is absolutely sure that
men are *better* off and just ignores a piece of *hard* data that does
fit in.

Hillel                                           gazit@cs.duke.edu

"There is only one difference between child support and alimony,
child support isn't tax deductible."  --  Allen WELLS