Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!decwrl!ames!eos!data.nas.nasa.gov!mustang!nntp-server.caltech.edu!bes From: isaac@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Isaac Balbin) Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam Subject: Re: Differences of a Muslim with Israel! Message-ID: <1990Nov12.121229.18201@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Date: 12 Nov 90 12:12:29 GMT Sender: bes@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 86 Approved: bes@tybalt.caltech.edu [Note by a moderator: with regard to Mr. Balbin's inquiry, we are not able to direct questions to other newsgroups. We approve articles if they are at least in part about Islam. If some of an article is relevant to Islam and the rest isn't, the article is still approved. But it is expected that all replies will remain relevant to Islam. -Behnam] mughal@iago.caltech.edu (Mughal, Asim) writes: >> It is my understanding that Islam respects the rights >>of people to their homeland. >It most certainly does, does Judaism respect that? Moderator: Can you direct this question to the correct newsgroup? >Why does Kahane says "I want the Arabs out of Israel. Out, out out!"? Moderator: Can you direct this question to the correct newsgroup? >> Even in 1948, this area was part of >>Israel. >It certainly was, that was the time Israel occupied Falasteen, >the question really is who was there prior to 1948? >Is that not driving the people of land out of their homes? Not in this newsgroup it isn't. This newsgroup discusses Islam, as I understand it. I am looking for Muslim (religious) answers to certain questions. I am not looking for talk.politics.mideast. >> Does Islam believe in an eye for an eye? >Islam certainly believes an eye for an eye and all Muslims >are obliged to obey. Thank you for the answer. Where is the source for Muslims believing this? What does it mean in Islam. It is not taken legally by the other two religions who reference this dictum. >BUT what about Judaism, does it not >believe in it, can they murder 21 people for throwing >stones. I suggest you ask this question to the halacha mailing list which asks questions of Jewish Law. I doubt that police were acting based on Jewish Law. They were probably acting according to the police manual and their orders. I am unsure if you will find the Police manual in the Jewish Torah. >An eye for an eye to me means that they if >someone throws stone at you, you may throw stones at him, >but bullets ... Nah! Is that what it means to you or to Islam? I would ask the moderators to direct the questions to be more in line with Islam, or at least personal understandings of Islam. Does Islam have a *literal* reading, and if so, a stone thrower should not complain if he/she gets hit with stones in return. >I agree that praying is not fighting and if there are >people praying they are not fighting. But these are the >people who drove those Falasteenis out of there home >and throwing stones is the demonstration of frustrations >these people have. Still not deserving bullets. I am interested in the Islamic perspective here. Are you saying that according to Islam, because the Jews, in your opinion, drove out people from Falasteen, that there is a mandate in Muslim Law to attack Jews (or other conquering nations) residing in Israel at any time, at any place, and without necessary direct provocation? As I understand it, this is your understanding of Islam. Is that correct? Your last "sentence" of "Still not deserving bullets" was out of context since we were discussing those praying at the wall and not the policeman who were there to police the area. Can I now also add a very similar question? Readers will no doubt know of the deplorable slaughter of *200* Muslims by Hindus in India after Hindus tried to storm a Muslim temple on the grounds that it had no business in India. What is the attitude of Islam to Muslim temples in foreign countries? In particular, should they move their temple to another Islamic country, or should they willfully endanger their lives by persisting in living in a country that would appear to have a hostile group of people against them? Is one permitted to endanger ones life thus, or should one submit to martyrdom? -- ``A College degree is a right; not a privilege"