Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!thornley From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Searle's Chinese Room Keywords: Strong AI, Turing test Message-ID: <1990Nov19.192555.29337@cs.umn.edu> Date: 19 Nov 90 19:25:55 GMT References: <16197@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> <3952@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> <10297@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> <1990Nov16.171041.14144@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis - CSCI Dept. Lines: 28 In article <1990Nov16.171041.14144@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> fostel@eos.ncsu.edu (Gary Fostel) writes: > > I always wondered why people spent so much time argueing about the Turing > Test when it is so poorly defined. (Or perhaps that's why it can go on and > on). Consider a modification for a chess playing version of the Turing > test. (We could use Chinese Chess if that would help :-) > It is reasonably well-defined. Read Turing's paper. (Please, everyone, read and ponder both one or both of Searle's articles, and Turing's paper, before jumping in. Searle gives me the impression that he is arguing against something of a straw Turing test.) > The only well defined "test", whether it be for chess playing or more > generally, in the Turing test, for intelligence, would be that the machine > could fool EVERYBODY who was observing. This is a very strong test, > much stronger than the usual Turing test I believe, and I'm not sure > many REAL people could convince everyone else that they were intelligent > humans. Perhaps none could! The Turing test is not to convince the observer of intelligence, but to be *indistinguishable* from an intelligent adult human. If you put a standard chess program on line, I can distinguish it immediately by asking about the situation in the Middle East. It seems to me that, if you put two intelligent adults on the lines, instead of one human and one computer, that one of the humans will be identified as the human, and will therefore have passed the test. DHT