Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!usc!apple!agate!shelby!portia.stanford.edu!elaine10.stanford.edu!dhinds From: dhinds@elaine10.stanford.edu (David Hinds) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: In What Sense is Sun the "First" Open Systems Manufacturer? Message-ID: <1990Nov21.205753.13677@portia.Stanford.EDU> Date: 21 Nov 90 20:57:53 GMT References: <1990Nov20.195623.28061@Neon.Stanford.EDU> <2940@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> <1990Nov21.194240.28355@Neon.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@portia.Stanford.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Stanford University - AIR Lines: 18 In article <1990Nov21.194240.28355@Neon.Stanford.EDU> andy@Theory.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: >In article <2940@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> davidsen@crdos1.crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes: >> >> Where did you get the info? I didn't realize that IBM gave Amdahl and >>the others the plans for their CPU and let them make it. Actually I >>thought they were reverse engineered. > >Either IBM's lawyers are worse than almost every other manufacturers, >or IBM allowed the 360/370 clone makers to exist. Sun helps more, but >that's a difference of degree. I believe that IBM OS's are public domain - you can just pick up an MVS tape and pop it into an Amdahl clone. However, I think that some of this was forced on IBM as a result of anti-trust suits a long time ago - I don't remember the details. -David Hinds dhinds@cb-iris.stanford.edu