Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!lib!thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu From: jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu (Jay Maynard) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: In What Sense is Sun the "First" Open Systems Manufacturer? Message-ID: <4343@lib.tmc.edu> Date: 22 Nov 90 15:40:33 GMT References: <2940@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> <1990Nov21.194240.28355@Neon.Stanford.EDU> <1990Nov21.205753.13677@portia.Stanford.EDU> Sender: usenet@lib.tmc.edu Organization: University of Texas Medical School at Houston Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu In article <1990Nov21.205753.13677@portia.Stanford.EDU> dhinds@elaine10.stanford.edu (David Hinds) writes: > I believe that IBM OS's are public domain - you can just pick up an MVS >tape and pop it into an Amdahl clone. However, I think that some of this >was forced on IBM as a result of anti-trust suits a long time ago - I don't >remember the details. This was true once upon a time, but hasn't been true since the introduction of MVS/SE (the predecessor to MVS/SP). I don't know if you can still get MVS 3.8 (the last PD version) all by itself; later versions still contain MVS 3.8 code, but it would take major surgery to separate it from the licensed code, especially in later systems such as MVS/ESA (otherwise known as MVS/SP version 3). I don't know houw an Amdahl 5990 site would get MVS/ESA - or any other IBM program product - licensed, but I know it's possible; I do know that Amdahl users get their support from Amdahl, not IBM. -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can jmaynard@thesis1.hsch.utexas.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity. "With design like this, who needs bugs?" - Boyd Roberts