Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!walk From: walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Walk) Newsgroups: comp.binaries.ibm.pc.d Subject: Re: super high density formatters Message-ID: <1990Nov20.193242.10686@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 20 Nov 90 19:32:42 GMT References: <1990Nov16.035524.22022@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (News) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 31 ftw33616@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Frank T. Wang) writes: >has anyoe used those programs that can format a 1.44 meg disk to, say, 1.7 meg? > and other such HIGH formats? how unreliable are these? i figured it'd be >as dangerous as formatting a DD disk HD. > Frank All programs for the IBM that do this add 1 extra sector per track (or 2 or 3..)At 1 extra sector per track, a 720K IBM disk (9 sec., 80 tracks) is increased to 800K (about the most 1MB unformated disks can hold while formated). With a 1.44MB disk you can squeeze on 2 or 3 extra sectors per track, giving between 1.6-1.8MB. As for the reliability of adding these extra sectors to the tracks, that depends on the individual diskettes. A value called the coercitivity determines the magnetic strength of the disk and is very important in determining how much information can be put on it. For 1MB 3.5" disks it is about 600, 2MB 3.5" about 700. The amount of coercitivity that a disk actually has is a factor of the manufacturing process and can vary significantly. If it is lower than it is supose to be, the disk will be unreliable with the extra sectors. Plus, old disks tend to lose their coercitivity. As for why you can't get 1MB of storage on a 1MB unformated disk (and 2MB on a 2MB...), disk manufacturers measure the amount of bytes that can be reliably placed on the disk (of course you can get more bytes on the outside tracks than on the inside tracks). Therefore, with a constant speed disk drive (such as the ones on IBMs), you get much less than the unformated density. Todd Walk walk@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu