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From: jgd@rsiatl.UUCP (John G. DeArmond)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Newsgroup creation anarchy
Message-ID: <5043@rsiatl.UUCP>
Date: 22 Nov 90 06:56:17 GMT
Organization: Rapid Deployment Systems, Inc. (making go fast things and things go fast)
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cat@tygra.ddmi.com (CAT-TALK Maint. Account) writes:


>FALSE. Recently, a call for discussion about a new hierarchy called
>"ads" was posted and the moderator refused to allow it through. He sent
>me a message asking for more information about the hierarchy. I replied
>and he failed to post the call for discussion. This thing is so highly
>politically motivated that you just wouldn't believe it!!

So use any of the means available to you to go around Elliot.  Assuming
that you admin your system or your admin will help you,   you could:

*	Start the discussion in other groups and ignore Elliot's bleating.
	Most of us will respect a discussion and vote whether Elliot 
	blesses it or not.

*	Forge a new.announce message and propagate around Elliot.  Some
	people will blast you; simply ignore them.  Don't make the 
	mistake that was made re unix.wizards and enter into a debate.
	Note that I take forging articles very seriously but a moderator
	restircting a legitimate request for discussion because he
	does not agree with it is serious and an appropriate
	reason to use extraordinary measures.

*	Start an alt. heirarchy, announce it everywhere and after 
	the readership is sufficient, call for discussion and vote
	and the members of the group will be sufficient to bring it
	about.

John

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