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From: dorsai@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Gregory D. Moncreaff)
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Subject: Re: Do *NOT* reveal paper clip trick...NET IMAGE & censorship
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Date: 21 Nov 90 11:51:44 GMT
References: <1990Nov10.063416.5731@ariel.unm.edu> <1990Nov17.051151.4935@actrix.co.nz> <3973@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
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In article <3973@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> lev@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article <1990Nov17.051151.4935@actrix.co.nz>, Bruce.Hoult@actrix.co.nz (Bruce Hoult) writes...
>><1990Nov15.112229.24716@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
>>Sender: 
>>Followup-To: 
>>Distribution: 
>>Organization: Actrix Information Exchange, Wellington, New Zealand
>>Keywords: 
>>Comment-To: rdt155r@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au
>> 
>> 
>>>In Australia, we get NO world distribution of several groups on grounds
>>>similar to those stated above.  They are:
>>>
>>>        alt.sex.*         (Maybe the sheer volume???)
>>>        alt.drugs.*       (who knows?)
>> 
>>Here in New Zealand, my site gets alt.sex.pictures.d, but none of the
>>other alt.sex groups (including alt.sex.pictures).  I don't know why (or
>>care, particuarly).
>
>Here at Goddard, we had a pretty free News server -- until some drek about
>alt.sex hit the press and some of the management types who almost never use the
>network discovered that "their" network was being used to carry all kinds of
>"pornography". 
>
>We never wanted to carry alt.sex.pictures (we DON'T have that kind of disk
>space, and they're all available via Anon FTP), but -- after a long, noisy,
					^^^??

>and draining battle, ended up wiping alt.sex and a couple of other groups
>from our feeds -- we even had to kill "junk" in case some evil beast at a
>terminal learned how to pull the censored material from it!
>
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actually, first they went after anon ftp sites so a news group was created
as a work around. Then they went after the newsgroups. now it's only a 
question of whether or not they'll go after the mail servers. (like there's
any doubt) the true question is whether or not they'll be able to monitor
indidual mail flow (actually, the way sysadmins have cringed over ftp & news
there's little question on that either) i think some people are going to have
a little extra work.....