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From: jimb@silvlis.com (Jim Budler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Do *NOT* reveal or mention "hacking" information (was Re: paper clip trick)
Message-ID: <1990Nov18.041100.8224@silvlis.com>
Date: 18 Nov 90 04:11:00 GMT
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In article <240@anomaly.sbs.com> mpd@anomaly.sbs.com (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>sigma@pawl.rpi.edu (Kevin J Martin) writes:
>
>>Uh, excuse me, but have you *read* the license that comes with just about
>>any software you buy these days?  Most of them clearly state, in thick
>>legalese, "You do NOT own this software, you have been given a LICENSE to
>>use this software, Company X still OWNS this software, etc" and they then
>>proceed to restrict just about every right they can think of.
>
>Uh, excuse me, but courts have ruled that "shrink wrap" licenses are not
>binding...
>
>MD

Uh, not quite... They ruled that if the license isn't visible before
opening the 'final' package it wasn't valid. In case you haven't noticed
all the stuff you buy today has the disks in an envelope with the license
printed on the outside, or the license is included and readable before
you open that last envelope.

If you open the envelope today, you are bound by that license. Shrink wrap
rulings don't apply once you open the envelope since the license was visible
before this point and you are allowed an unconditional full refund before
this point. 

After you open the envelope you are stuck, legally.

Even in states where the shrink wrap was never tested in court this is
now the practice.

jim

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