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From: brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: What is 'expect'
Message-ID: <22547:Nov1620:27:0690@kramden.acf.nyu.edu>
Date: 16 Nov 90 20:27:06 GMT
References: <1990Nov13.212403.11129@iwarp.intel.com> <7316:Nov1408:33:0390@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> <108721@convex.convex.com>
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In article <108721@convex.convex.com> tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:
> In article <7316:Nov1408:33:0390@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> 
> brnstnd@kramden.acf.nyu.edu (Dan Bernstein) writes, quoting Randal:
> >And if you just want to stick to sh for the automation, do so. Why learn
> >a different language---whether TCL or Perl---if you don't have to?
> Because, Dan, when we're too old to learn something new, we're already
> dead and someone might as well just shoot us so the rest of the world can
> get on with life.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

> TCL and Perl offer significant control advantages that are not simply
> expressible in that ancient and tired tool, the shell.

Obviously they are more powerful. That doesn't mean that they're
necessary for solving real-world problems. As I said, if you just want
to stick to sh for the automation, do so. Sometimes I find it easier to
use sh and special-purpose tools; sometimes I find it easier to use
general-purpose tools. It's just a personal decision, and I see no
reason not to inform readers of the alternatives.

> Please stop disparaging other people's work,

Oh, grow up. Proposing alternatives is not ``disparaging'' anything.
When Don posts an expect script or Larry posts a Perl script and I post
an equivalent version in sh plus tools, I'm offering readers a choice.
That's a lot more productive than posting a whining article like yours.
Why don't you contribute something to the network before you disparage
other people's contributions?

---Dan