Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen From: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Vixen) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: ASL AND DEAFIES Message-ID: <15795@bunker.UUCP> Date: 20 Nov 90 04:16:16 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/11 - S.I.R.E.N. NET-MAIL, Sacramento CA Lines: 62 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 11887 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Hi James, I must tell you that I thought you presented your positions regarding ASL, deaf Culture and communication in an intelligent and clear fashion. I have followed this thread most closely and with great interest. For myself, I do believe in Total Communications methods, but as some already know, I am a strong advocate of ASL. My caveat on Total Communication is that it should be something that is optional and available for those who can benefit by it. I don't believe it should be forced. When I began learning ASL, I was also taught a little bit about its history as well as deaf culture and things relevant. My instructors felt that it was important that I know more than just the language. I was taught much of what you have spoken of here. That many hearing educators and systems tried to suppress ASL for any number of reasons, including labeling it an inferrior form of communication. I also learned that many hearing persons or institutions expected the deaf person/ student/ child to do things "the hearing way" or as you have said, without the use of ASL. I have even seen some of this attitude in my own life experiences. When a hearing person/system wants to put the deaf individual in the position of finding a means of communication more easily understandable by the hearing person/system. I realize that there are more hearing people than deaf, but somehow, I have always been annoyed by this. I was also taught to respect this wonderful language and that as you have pointed out, is so much a part of being deaf for so many and that much of the deaf community will and does cling tenaciously to ASL. You commented that a "Deafie" might think of Annie as a deaf person with a hearing mind. I wonder, if people like some of my (hearing) ASL instructors are "Hearing with the ability to think as a deafie!" (To all reasonable limits of course.) For me, a sign system that is based on standard english might be easier to learn and I might be able to string my signs together easier and quicker, because proper ASL syntax has never come easily to me. Still, I prefer the language as it is. I think Total Communication is fine once the deaf child/student/person has a basic visual language to communicate with. I thought you raised a lot of good points concerning this. Keepin' the faith! . Vixen -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!203!11!Vixen Internet: Vixen@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org