Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!yale!bunker!hcap!hnews!273!210!Lawrence.Brick From: Lawrence.Brick@f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Lawrence Brick) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: ASL Message-ID: <15807@bunker.UUCP> Date: 20 Nov 90 04:18:11 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: Lawrence.Brick@f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org Distribution: misc Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/210 - BENSALEM AFTER HOUR, Bensalem PA Lines: 37 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 11899 [This is from the Silent Talk Conference] Since ASL has never been officially recognized and used for communication in schools for the deaf, it can't be blamed for failure. The children used ASL when they weren't being watched by the adults who advocated Signed English, oral, or anything but ASL. When TC was first used in schools for the deaf, the teachers really used sim com(simultaneous communication) and if one watched them carefully, one would observe that when they used both voice and signs that often many words were omitted in the signing of what they voiced. This resulted in the deaf children not getting the full exposure to the English language. I have asked signing hearing people to "turn off" their voice and it's amazing to watch how much clearer their signs are and if they keep signing without voice, they unconsciously begin to sign less in English and more towards ASL by leaving out the articles, prepositions, etc. In fact they begin to act like deaf people. I know of only two schools for the deaf in the USA that officially and publicly say that the teachers use ASL in the education program with deaf children and that's the PA School for the Deaf in Philadelphia and the Learning Center in Framingham, Mass. They've been using ASL for less than ten years. So until ASl has been tried and used with children in educational programs from birth to adulthood, it is not appropriate to blame ASL for the poor acheivement of deaf children. The best way to teach English is through writing and reading and ASL is a form of in the air communication (it can't be written or read in print) and can be used to explain and discuss concepts and ideas from the books the children read and to discuss with the children what they're writing about. ASL can be used to explain English. For example, in ASL, I might sign, "Japan finished touch" and explain that "I've been to Japan" is the English equivalent. In any case I'm enjoying the various thoughts expressed by various people on total communication and the like. -- Uucp: ..!{decvax,oliveb}!bunker!hcap!hnews!273!210!Lawrence.Brick Internet: Lawrence.Brick@f210.n273.z1.fidonet.org