Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!yale!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!jhiggott From: jhiggott@axion.bt.co.uk (jeff higgott) Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Re: Help! Lesser Black-backed Gull..... Message-ID: <1990Nov20.092524@axion.bt.co.uk> Date: 20 Nov 90 09:25:24 GMT References: <4295.2743f767@zeus.unomaha.edu> Sender: news@axion.bt.co.uk Reply-To: JHiggott@axion.bt.co.uk Organization: British Telecom Research Labs Lines: 30 1st year Lesser Black-backed Gull: Look for the following characters: . Slightly smaller than Herring (_smithsonianus_ Herring is a big bird, about the size of Glaucous) and more elegantly structured, with rounder head (Herring is more flat-crowned). . Lesser Black-back appears to have a more attenuated rear end when perched/swimming (due to relatively longer wings or primary projection beyond the tertials?). . Bill all dark, (paler based on Herring). . Wing pattern: Primaries uniformly dark (inner primaries paler on Herring) Secondaries uniformly dark; greater-coverts dark with paler tips Thus Lesser Balck-back shows a double inner wing bar on open wing. _smithsonianus_ Herring Gull shows paler greater coverts, and therefore doesn't display the obvious greater covert bar. . Lesser Black-back shows an obviously pale rump (darker barred in _smithsonianus_) . Also shows blotchy dark underparts (relatively uniform in _smithsonianus_). . Shows coarse undertail barring (less obvious in _smithsonianus_). Hope this is of help. If not, mail me. Note - these features apply to first winter birds, and are not all appropriate for separating Lesser Black-back from the European subspecies of Herring. * Jeff Higgott - "Ask a stupid person and you'll get a stupid answer" - F&L