Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!A.S.Chamove From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Re: Falconry... Message-ID: <1990Nov21.015513.27747@massey.ac.nz> Date: 21 Nov 90 01:55:13 GMT References: <1990Nov17.002351.25330@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <13985@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand Lines: 20 X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2.2 It seems to me to be an ethical question where the hunter is concerned. The problem with hunting is twofold. 1--Is it sporting? If you have a powerful enough gun, you can almost be certain of a kill at any distance. 2--Is the havoc reasonable? Centuraries ago it was OK to burn down 300 acres to grow crops for one family for one year. Today the ecosystem cannot withstand this pressure. The same is true of hunters (and fishermen) that use lead or that wound large numbers of animals. The pressure on animals (in Scotland where I have lived) has meant that otters, the Osprey, kites, etc do not live in most of the UK (and wolves, beaver, bears are extinct). Whether one causes more suffering than the other is not the question (although that can be answered if one wants to). What should WE DO? That is the question. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold Chamove Massey University Psychology Palmerston North, New Zealand