Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!xylogics!bu.edu!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: U-700 Information Wanted Message-ID: <1990Nov21.223815.22867@cbnews.att.com> Date: 21 Nov 90 22:38:15 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 38 Approved: military@att.att.com From: Peter Brooks More on submarine captures and Ian Fleming: In addition to U-570, an important capture occured in May, 1941, of U-110, under Captain (Franz-Julius?) Lemp. This was fairly conventional; the crew got out when the boat appeared to be sinking. The Brits sent a boarding party over to get whatever. Apparently, Captain Lemp saw that the boat was not sinking and he swam over to it. This is speculation, but it is believed that somebody in the boarding party shot Lemp. He was never found. (Nor court martialed :-). The haul included an intact enigma cyphering machine (with the current settings still in place), and more importantly, papers with the Enigma settings for several months. The tactical advantages of a quick enigma decode were enormous. (the RN had figured out the wiring of the Egnima, with some help from multiple sources, but without the current settings it could take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks to decode messages. Thus the advantage from the U-110 papers.) Ian Fleming was in the Naval Inteligence, as personal assistant to the Director. I don't know if he was involved in submarine evaluation. BTW, Lemp had the dubious distinction of sinking the first vessel in WWII, the SS Athenia, a passanger vessel. The resulting propaganda debacle was quite embarassing to Germany. My source for this has been Dan van der Vat's THE ATLANTIC CAMPAIGN. It is pretty thorough, covering mistakes and triumphs on all sides. He mentions several (over 100 subs) by number, but no mention of U-700 captured on august 7, 1941. U-570 was captured August *27th*. Technology transfer went both ways, too. The early magnetic detonators were so ineffective that the Germans used contact detonators copied from a British design. Pete Brooks pb@hpocia.hp.com