Xref: utzoo sci.space:25563 sci.space.shuttle:6623 Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle Path: utzoo!henry From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: New Shuttle Engines Message-ID: <1990Nov16.211340.27611@zoo.toronto.edu> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology References: <11236@milton.u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 90 21:13:40 GMT In article <11236@milton.u.washington.edu> brettvs@blake.u.washington.edu (Brett Vansteenwyk) writes: >I am curious as to how much of a design difficulty it is to have an engine >operate (well or otherwise) at both sea level and in the vacuum ... It's not an enormously big deal, but it is a nuisance. Ignoring some details, one gets maximum thrust out of a given exhaust stream if it exits the nozzle at roughly ambient pressure. This means that a nozzle optimized for high altitude will be a good bit longer than a sea-level nozzle, to give the gas more expansion. An underexpanded nozzle, with the gas exiting at higher than ambient, results in some loss of thrust. A badly overexpanded nozzle causes the gas flow to break away from the nozzle wall before reaching the end, which causes all manner of nasty turbulence and problems of various kinds. The SSME nozzles are in fact mildly overexpanded for use at sea level, for the sake of performance at high altitude, but not enough to cause major trouble. Multiple stages, with upper stages ignited only at high altitude, offer somewhat of a way out of this. The first stage is still a compromise, because it finishes its burn in much thinner air than it started in, but the upper stages can use fairly uncompromised high-altitude nozzles. People have explored more devious schemes, like variable-length nozzles, but no real use has been made of them yet. >... If this is a heavy constraint, why light >the SSMEs at sea level at all ... One very important practical reason is that the #1 time for engine trouble is at ignition. Lighting the SSMEs on the pad means that the more benign kinds of engine failures simply cause a pad abort. There may also have been some hope that gimballing the SSMEs would suffice for control, and the SRBs wouldn't need gimballed nozzles, although in fact that didn't pan out. >By the way, I remember that there is some consideration (or ongoing effort) >to adapting the RL-10 to operate at sea level. Is this a good example of >this sort of design "difficulty"? In principle, all you need is a shorter nozzle, although you have to think about things like the effect on the cooling system. There may be some issues in ignition, too. -- "I don't *want* to be normal!" | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology "Not to worry." | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry