Xref: utzoo sci.space:25687 sci.space.shuttle:6652 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!dweasel!loren From: loren@dweasel.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: New Shuttle Engines Message-ID: <86387@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: 20 Nov 90 01:07:19 GMT References: <1990Nov14.071003.24567@cimage.com> <1990Nov16.175907.18177@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> <2154@cybaswan.UUCP> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Followup-To: sci.space Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: dweasel.llnl.gov In article <2154@cybaswan.UUCP> iiitsh@cybaswan.UUCP (Steve Hosgood) writes: > >Someone (Henry probably) once pointed out that the existing shuttle could >be massively improved (and lightened) by use of newer computers, >newer engines etc etc. When asked though, NASA insisted on only more >of what it already had - even for building Endeavour. > >*That* is not the way forward. True, but this is equipment that has to work EXTREMELY reliably, all because of the people on board. So that's why NASA has stuck to its older, clumsier hardware. I guess that's why unmanned spacecraft will still be necessary -- there is less to lose with failure. I know someone elsewhere in LLNL who knows of a Lab project that is to be sent up on a Pegasus rocket. To LEO, a Pegasus can send up about 500 kg, if I remember correctly. Furthermore, there is only a six-month wait for the Pegasus, as opposed to a three-year wait for the Shuttle. He also told me that, because it was unmanned, they could design it closer to performance limits. Thus, they could use 1/2 burst pressure in one place, as opposed to 1/5 burst pressure for a Shuttle payload. Currently, with about $6m per Pegasus and 500 kg to LEO, it works out to $1200 per kilo -- more than competitive with the Shuttle. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov Since this nodename is not widely known, you may have to try: loren%sunlight.llnl.gov@star.stanford.edu