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Subject: BASIS 14... comments
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> Summary of BASIS 14 Changes (John Rible's unofficial report)

> Added Words:
> To Core ext;
> CASE OF ENDOF ENDCASE
To CORE??? Extended Core would be better. Anyway, what is the stack behavior?

> REFILL
What it does?

> COMPILE
So, we have COMPILE but we don't have [COMPILE] ... and we have POSTPONE also,
that's right?

> C" MS MARKER
What they do?

> To File; SAVE-INPUT RESTORE-INPUT FILE-STATUS
What they do?

> WRITE-LINE
Instead of WRITE-CR ? So WRITE-CR now can be defined as a WRITE-LINE with an
empty string?

> RESIZE-FILE REPOSITION-FILE
What they do? Exactly, I mean...

> To File ext; FLUSH-FILE

> To Float ext; F"
Yes? What it does?

> To Double; D0<
> To Programmer; BYE KEY?
Fine!

> Deleted Words:
> From File; WRITE-CR

> SEEK-FILE
Oh, oh! Why?

> From File ext; EXTEND-FILE
> From Non-portable; ?KEY ?EKEY

> Renamed, Redefined, or Moved Words:
> BL from Core ext to Core

> " renamed S" in Core and Programmer
Why?

> -TRAILING from Core ext to String
> QUERY restored to traditional meaning in Core ext
> .( 0> from Core to Core ext
> PARSE redefined so address is in the input stream, moved from Core to Core
> ext
> LIST from Non-portable to Block
> ONLY ALSO PREVIOUS ISOLATE from Search to Search ext
Yeah.

> ORDER from Non-portable to Search ext
Problems. My programs often use ONLY and ALSO, but never ORDER. With ORDER I
need the name (string)... and now the ANS Compatibles can't tell me that I have
ONLY and ALSO if they don't have ORDER. But I'll not lost my sleep...

> [COMPILE] made "non-obsolescent" in Core ext
??? Can someone explain this to me with more words?

> FILEPOS is FILE-POSITION and FILESIZE is FILE-SIZE in File
> BLOCK-FILE is FILE-BLOCK and BUFFER-FILE is FILE-BUFFER in File ext
> RENAME-FILE from File to File ext
Ok.

> Other Changes:
> Non-portable word set renamed "Programmers toolkit" word set
I like this!

> Cell and Floating-point number sizes are intregal multiples of character size
> Nested compilation of definitions is disallowed
??? What this mean? What are the pratical effects?

> Beyond scope of Standard to specify termination condition of ACCEPT or EXPECT
:-((((( But I can understand.

> Only graphic characters (from ISO-IRV, ASCII) from 32...126 within scope of
> standard
Yeah.

> "Error" codes -1...-255 reserved fro ANSI, -256...-4095 for system
Great!!!

> New data type taxonomy permits address, character, and other mixed type
> arithmetic
:-) Although I shouldn't use this.

> Much new text added for rationale and implementor's guide apendices
Good.

> Many typos and format problems corrected
;->

> Some statistics:
> 958 proposals received (194 from outside the committee, 1/3rd of which
> passed)
> 518 proposals passed (246 were amended)

> 18 proposals still pending
Oh no! :-)

> estimated over $300,000 direct expenditures, plus over $500,000 volunteer
> time
Thanks to everyone!

> DRAFT PROPOSED ANSI FORTH STANDARD EXPECTED AFTER NEXT MEETING
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

> We are expecting to have BASIS 14 ready for release by December 10th.
Ok. But I think somewone should convert it to TeX. There is a WP -> TeX
translator at Simtel. Imagine if we can find a RTF -> WP translator!!!

                              (8-DCS)