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From: andrzej@bcars268.UUCP (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: Setting the record straight...
Message-ID: <1990Nov27.184403.6173@bigsur.uucp>
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 90 18:44:03 GMT

In article <1990Nov27.023852.1735@micor.UUCP>, donna@micor.UUCP (Donna Hogan) writes:
|> 
|> Corel Systems doesn't, however, deserve to be punished.  You do.  It's
|> always irksome when someone speaks from ignorance, pretending to be an
|> authority on something, and in reality is giving bad and very much mis-
|> informed advice to others.  Especially on so public a system as the net.

I spoke for myself and nothing is forbidden on a public network. And as far
as ignorance goes ... well, I am a computer professional, and not an artist.
What I wrote is my perception of the product, and from the noise on the net
made about XVT Draw, I suspect that many people feels the same way.

|> The price for Corel Draw has increased by about $100 Canadian to account
|> for a release, 2.0, which has literally taken over 18 months to develop!
|> I suppose it would be a perfect world if everyone would just give the
|> fruits of their labour away free, but alas, if Corel Draw was given away
|> free then only you would be happy.  Because there would be no other
|> upgrades in the future, there wouldn't be a company.  But I guess that
|> doesn't matter, just as long as you get a free ride.  Get with it, people
|> are in business, not in the business of running a charity.

It took Borland a lot of time to develop its packages, and they did very
good business out of selling them reasonably. Of course their packages are
without any value for artists, but if some are interested a little bit in
programming, they still may buy and try. That is not the case with CorelDraw.

Just in the case you do not know: "the margin of a profit might be lowered, 
if the volume of sales is increased".

Besides, they increased the price by Can$300.00 (from Can$599.00 to
Can$899.00), and not Can$100.00 as you misleadingly suggest.

Nota bene, after TurboProlog was returned by Borland to its original
developers, the last time I heard about it was when the price was changed
from $200.00 to $500.00.

|> As an aside, it may interest you to know that when Corel Draw 2.0 was
|> demonstrated at the Comdex show in Las Vegas, it blew everyone away!!!

I did not say it is bad. I just said that the price policy is wrong.
They could sell their art libraries for big bucks, while maintaing 
a reasonable price for the program. And this is why I think they should be
punished. They force a prospective buyer to pay for the complete
package, even if they know that a big chunk of it will not be used.
"You take the whole thing or ... bug off" should be their marketing
banner. They do not care about thousands of people who would be glad to
be able to afford the price, but instead they concentrated on big
buck consumers.

|> The reviews of the show only talked about Windows and Corel Draw, (seems
|> that I might not be the only one to think that Corel Systems should be
|> congratulated, not punished as you so foolishly pointed out, on a release
|> that puts them head-and-shoulders above all other drawing packages - and
|> that goes for the MAC world too).

... and Windows go for Can$100.00, CorelDraw for Can$900.00.

|> By the way, MS Powerpoint is not Corel Draw/Designer's competitor.
|> They are not even in the same market niche.  I can't believe you compared
|> them together.   PowerPoint is a presentation utility, and it is practically
|> expected that you would import graphics from other packages, Corel Draw is
|> a graphics package.  To use PP as a graphics utility or to use CD as a pres-
|> entation utility would be like using your shoe to hammer in a nail.  It works
|> but why bother?

For my needs they are equivalent. I said I am not an artist, but I need
proper drawing program to better present my technical ideas. 
Besides, if the shoe is hard enough ... why not?

|> FLAME OFF

And I will not call you an ignorant only because your opinions differ
from those of mine. 

You are simply an ARTIST.


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