Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!thakur From: reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher) Newsgroups: rec.arts.cinema Subject: Re: NC-17 controversies Message-ID: <1990Nov29.193335.3766@eddie.mit.edu> Date: 29 Nov 90 19:33:35 GMT References: <1990Nov27.205705.5453@eddie.mit.edu> <1990Nov29.062845.10281@eddie.mit.edu> Sender: thakur@eddie.mit.edu (Manavendra K. Thakur) Reply-To: reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher) Followup-To: rec.arts.cinema Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Lines: 57 Approved: thakur@zerkalo.harvard.edu In article <1990Nov29.062845.10281@eddie.mit.edu> pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes: > >A third possibility is that the MPAA could refuse to rate the porn >film. Just because a film is submitted for a rating does not mean >that the MPAA is required to give it a rating. It just returns the >producer's fee and tells him they will not rate it. He then is forced >to give it an X rating, or try to release it unrated, which now >amounts to the same thing. Do you have any actual knowledge that the MPAA can or would do this? Everything I have ever heard about them suggests that their supposed charter is to rate any and every film submitted. The fee is supposedly only to cover their costs. Unless I am much mistaken (always possible), refusing to rate a film would signal a major shift in their policy, the sort of shift they typically make over Jack Valenti's heavily pummelled body. In essence, refusing to rate a film would be equivalent to admitting that they were making quality judgements on the merits of a film. Valenti has always been adamant that the MPAA does not care about the quality of a film, but merely examines its contents for possibly offensive material. This position is important for the MPAA, because they wish to avoid endless fights over whether the inclusion of a naked woman's breast is "artistically valid" or "mere titillation". They already do some of this, but they've never liked it and always try to avoid such value judgements. So, yes, this is an option. But it would be an important change in the policy of the MPAA. They would then have to think about what happens if "In the Realm of the Senses" is resubmitted. I suspect that no sex act shown in "Blond Emmanuel" is likely to be missing from "In the Realm of the Senses", with similar levels of explicitness. Given some of what happens in "In the Realm of the Senses", the producer of "Blond Emmanuel" can probably make an argument that his film is *less* offensive. So what does the MPAA do then? They can reject "In the Realm of the Senses", despite it's clearly being a serious artistic film, thereby holding the position that there is still an X rating that is different from the NC-17 rating. Or they can rate "In the Realm of the Senses" NC-17, in which case they have admitted to making judgements on artistic merit. To address another post, why does the producer (or perhaps just the current owner) of "Blond Emmanuel" want an NC-17 rating? His stated reason is that he believes it will give his film better shelf exposure at video stores. He claims video store owners will be more willing to put an NC-17 film out on display than an X rated film. More likely, what he's really after is a little publicity, to set his sex film apart from all the other sex films out there. If he makes a big enough fuss, a sizable number of the people who rent sexually explicit videos will probably check this one out, rather than, say, "Debbie Does Dallas VI". It's really a marketing ploy, I think, at the potential expense of any serious filmmaker who wanted to make a film that doesn't fit into the restraints placed on R-rated movies. It's rather likely that no other sex film of this sort will be submitted to the MPAA, since the publicity value of the second one is much lower than that of the first, but one may be enough to do the damage. Peter Reiher reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov . . . cit-vax!elroy!jato!jade!reiher