Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!microsoft!rodvan From: rodvan@microsoft.UUCP (Rod VAN MECHELEN) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Are Humans Naturally Monogamous? Message-ID: <59264@microsoft.UUCP> Date: 23 Nov 90 01:36:21 GMT References: <1990Oct25.140829.19268@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <58695@microsoft.UUCP> <955@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> Organization: Microsoft Corp., Redmond WA Lines: 83 In article <955@accucx.cc.ruu.nl>, aritoxm@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Henk Verhaar) writes: > In article <1990Nov13.094216.1797@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes: > [lots o'babble deleted] > > > >Ah, yes, Rod, the guy who insists that breast milk is bad for babies. BTW, I've been wading through ... POSTINGS! <-; ... on talk.abortion. So many that I guess I've just plain forgotten I said breast milk was "bad." Would you be so kind as to refresh my memory on this? <-: Now, I do recall observing breast milk is not the best thing for babies and that I would advocate weaning as soon as possible. However, if you will note right from my very first post on this subject, implicit was the expectation that the child would start out on breast milk. > >we never did hear any real sensible reason why you felt this way. If I > >remember correctly you said that American women don't eat enough protein to > >produce good milk.... Obviously the remark of a trained diatician... I mentioned this in an email response to another poster who emailed me about it, and I think I also later posted as much. But I have never made any secret of the fact I am not a professional diatician and that I find most such "professionals" amusing. Diaticians are trained according to the practical application of various theories. Theories hold little interest for me -- I'm interested in what works. <-: > >Considering that the average American's diet is overloaded with protein. According to the FDA, AMA, AOA, APA, and several other letters <-: you're absolutely right. But as athletes have known for years, it's bogus. Take a gander at some of the publications no self-respecting dietition would be caught reading (other than in the bathroom with the door closed, perhaps <-:) such as M&F, Flex, and other bodybuilder mags. Now, although "professionals" may hold publishers of such magazines in contempt, they do do honest to goodness research where what is called for is not minimum acceptable health or the treatment of the ill, but optimum health and longevity. And what they have found is, as we would expect dietitions to know, there are people who need high-fat diets, people who need high-carbo diets, people who need high-protein diets, and people who fit somewhere in between. And what their studies indicate is that most folks in America, regardless of what type they are, eat too little protein for *optimum* health. But then, another thing the AMA has long held in contempt and only recently has begun to accept is ... bodybuilding. After all, the last thing the "health" professionals figure they need is a population of optimally healthy people (as my doctor says every time I go for a checkup -- if all my patients were like you, I'd be out of business. <-:) Fortunately, *some* health professionals *really* are advocates of optimum health. > In case you're really interested: Breast milk is supposedly bad for babies > because of the high average polychlorodibenzodioxin, polychlorodibenzofuran > and polychlorobiphenyl content. Theory is that these high levels of dioxin > and 'dioxin-workalikes' (in some toxicological senses, that is) seriously > interfere with the vitamin K metabolism in neonates (newly borns), thus, > again very seriously, interfering with their blood-clotting system. I'm sure glad we got that cleared up! But personally I wouldn't worry about it too much -- the amount of dioxin (and dioxin emulators) are insignificant. Especially if weaning is done soon. But, again, as has always been implicit in my postings, "weaning" presupposes breast-feeding. Or does your hostility require something else of me? > > Hope this helps :) > Henk Verhaar OO \/ Rod