Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!A.S.Chamove From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Men barred from primatology conference Message-ID: <1990Nov30.015509.20150@massey.ac.nz> Date: 30 Nov 90 01:55:09 GMT References: <1061@ai.cs.utexas.edu> <15147@cs.utexas.edu> <8283@dog.ee.lbl.gov> <1990Nov29.154434.15873@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu> Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand Lines: 25 X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2.2 In certain primates (squirrel monkeys for example) the females are dominant. They exclude males from the centre of the group except during breeding when they allow the "fatted" males in. Fossey's attraction to Hollywood was that she was killed in a dramatic way. I know of only three deaths in the field of primatologists--all female (one by a Rhino of a St. Andrews student in Kenya; one at Gombe Stream when a Stanford student fell over a cliff). The reason the "big" personalities were all studied by females (Fossey--Gorilla; Goodall--Chimps; Galdicus-Brindamore--Orangutans) was that the finances were controlled by L.Leekey and he preferred females (for some reason), and picked these people. The most influential recent study in primatology of a non-aggressive nature was Franz Dewal's interest (almost discovery) of ammicable behaviour following quarrels. One might expect that this counter to power and aggression might have been made by a male; it was not. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold Chamove Massey University Psychology Palmerston North, New Zealand