Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!jarthur!ucivax!gateway From: mapjilg@gdr.bath.ac.uk (J I L Gold) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Pornography AGAIN (was Re: Posting re. Andrea Dworkin) Message-ID: <1990Nov26.154324.14633@gdr.bath.ac.uk> Date: 26 Nov 90 17:46:39 GMT References: <658778710@grad17.cs.duke.edu> <46878@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <1430@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> Organization: Bath University Computing Services, Bath, England Lines: 27 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu >No, all kidding aside. I do NOT agree with much of what Dworkin says. >*I* think the problem is as stated above: "porn" teaches men and women >how they are to be sexually, and those ways happen to degrade people. >Somehow, violence has been sexualized, degradation has been >sexualized, racism has been sexualized. We need to rethink our >sexuality outside of oppressive ways of being. One way to do this is >to stop producing material that teaches oppression. Likewise, I think >that TV should be less violent. I am NOT proposing that we outlaw TV >either.... I wouldn't quite say that pornography "teaches" men and women about their sexualities. That smacks of being educational, and I don't really think porn is consumed for enlightenment in the erudite sense! Rather, it presents a set of values and modes of behaviour that are (supposed to be) socially acceptable. Yet at the same time it is supposed to be a source of fantasy, escapism, or choose your own euphemism. In that sense there is a contradiction, namely that (a) this is the way that men and women behave, but (b) presumably if you are using this as a fantasy you are not behaving that way! (but perhaps you wish to). I think it is this contradiction, the loss of distinction between reality and fantasy that is the real source of harm in pornography. -- # J.Gold | mapjilg@uk.ac.bath.gdr # # University of Bath , UK | jilg@uk.ac.bath.maths # # The more improbable an event is, the more likely it is to happen :-) #