Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sun13!ds1.scri.fsu.edu!debry From: debry@ds1.scri.fsu.edu (Ron DeBry) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.evolution Subject: Re: Features needed in phylogeny programs Message-ID: <1563@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 90 01:58:58 GMT References: <9012040656.AA04002@evolution.genetics.washington.edu> Sender: news@sun13.scri.fsu.edu Organization: SCRI, Florida State University Lines: 28 One thing that current phylogeny packages do not do is alignments. It is clearly unrealistic to expect that nucleotide sequences from a large number of species can be properly aligned _before_ the phylogeny has been estimated, but that is what all the packages assume. As available computing power increases, I think we should start to look at ways to combine alignment and phylogeny estimation. Jotun Hein has begun to address this issue, by a reciprocal align - parsimony tree - align - tree etc. algorithm. We have tried to use his program on some of Larry Abele's decapod rDNA data, and the alignment looked OK at the end, but the phylogeny didn't make any sense compared to anything else that had been done with the same data. (We also haven't had any luck contacting Hein, if anyone knows a reliable means to get in touch with him via e-mail, please let me know). While a maximum likelihood method which estimates both alignment and phylogeny simultaneously is no doubt possible, the calculations are probably beyond even Crays for now. I think that a reciprocal parsimony-based alignment, likelihood-based phylogeny program would be a help. Ron DeBry debry@ds1.scri.fsu.edu debry@fsu (BitNet) Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com