Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!voder!nsc!amdahl!JUTS!duts!kls30 From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Sun's Competitive Strategy (Was: Re: P1754 Message-ID: Date: 5 Dec 90 18:30:21 GMT References: <1990Nov16.225515.494@zoo.toronto.edu> <1990Nov25.194404.3376@dircon.uucp> <1635@unix386.Convergent.COM> <1990Dec2.014554.3491@Neon.Stanford.EDU> <2760@cirrusl.UUCP> <2764@cirrusl.UUCP> <76095@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Sender: netnews@ccc.amdahl.com Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) Distribution: na Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 82 In article <76095@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Sid Kitchel) writes: -Stuff Deleted > >||Nope. "Classic" here means "obsolete". In this day and age of 28-MIPS >||machines, what Apple does with an 8 MHz 68000 is utterly irrelevant. > -Stuff Deleted > > I'm typing this reply on my 80386-SX Austin at work. (I've been >told that "SX" stands for "sucks", but I cannot confirm this.) For a A 386dx is comprable to a 68030 and a 386sx blows away the 68020 and lesser members of that family. sx does not stand for sucks. I have an sx at home w/4 megs of RAM, 800x600 display, 100 megs of disk storage 3 floppies, midi interface, modem, mouse etc. >turkey, this is a nice, cute little machine. But I must agree with you ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well since I'm a System Design Engineer, have written simulators for a vector processor of my own design, designed and built couple of complete microprocessor systems, have a BSEE and am currently working on an MSEE, I'm definitely no turkey. My machine is more than just cute, see above. >completely in your: "There's just no comparison..." You are absolutely >correct. For productivity, getting it just the way I want it, for crisp >graphics, desktop publishing, fonts I can read all day, etc. etc. I >much prefer my Mac at home. It has better displays than any Super VGA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You obviously haven't seen many Super VGA displays. Remember a Classic only has a 9" screen and something like 540x480 display (????) I know I wouldn't call a Classic's screen high resolution. You have to get a large monitor to get better than the resolution avail. on Super VGA 800x600 and 1024x768. >I've ever seen. The software available for the Mac blows away anything Depends on what you do. A lot of software for the Mac has a IBM PC product that is almost identical, and the opposite is also true. I do know that the engineering packages for design entry, circuit analysis on the Mac are not as mature as products available on PCs. >I have at work. I sure am glad that I don't have to hold my breath >waiting for the OS/2, Windows 3.XX vs. DOS 6 war to end with a clear I don't hold my breath, Windows is a good product and so are a number of other operating system enhancements. If you want something more powerful get Unix on a PC. At least on 80x86 platforms there is a binary standard so that anything compiled under SCO will run under any other Unix. Not so for the 680x0. >winner!! And as a computer architect, I cringe every time I think of ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then you also cringe when you think of the design of 680x0 machines right ???? >the design of the 80x86 machines. Give me a break and give me a 68xxx ~~~~~~~ >machine with a reasonable user interface NOW!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What is NeXTstep, Motif, Openlook, MS Window????????? That's right you. You like the Mac and well, good for you. Diff. strokes for diff. folks. I like the openess of the PC arch. I also like the NeXT but I don't go around bashing Atari's, Amiga's and Mac's. > --Sid > >-- >Sid Kitchel...............WARNING: allergic to smileys and hearts.... >Computer Science Dept. kitchel@cs.indiana.edu >Indiana University kitchel@iubacs.BITNET >Bloomington, Indiana 47405-4101........................(812)855-9226 -- /* -The opinions expressed are my own, not my employers. */ /* For I can only express my own opinions. */ /* */ /* Kent L. Shephard : email - kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com */ Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com