Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: gs26@prism.gatech.edu (Glenn R. Stone) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: The "Bell" Logo Message-ID: <15198@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 4 Dec 90 21:48:03 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: Dead Poets Society Lines: 30 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 864, Message 1 of 14 In <15171@accuvax.nwu.edu> mailrus!uflorida!rm1!bapat@uunet.uu.net (Subodh Bapat) writes: >Talking about the Bell logo, is there any truth to the rumor that, >once long ago, AT&T lost its right to use the Bell logo, as the >copyright expired and they forgot to renew it? The story I heard was >that they had to pay a lot of money to get it back from some smart >entrepreneur who, in the meantime, sneaked in and got the copyright >for himself. ^^^^^^^^^ The use of the word "copyright" itself renders the entire rumor at least partially bogus ... A logo or word is subject to *trademark*, not copyright; once either is lost (trademarks are good so long as the company chooses to enforce it; copyrights have a definite lifetime) the mark or work is Public Domain and no one can acquire exclusive rights to it anymore. (Trademarks don't "expire"; they lose their exclusivity when a company chooses not to enforce them. Once this occurs, the company cannot then chose to again start enforcing it, however.) Moreover, the "Bell" logo would qualify as a "famous" trademark (like the Golden Arches of McDonalds or the Checkerboard Square of Ralston Purina) and the Patents and Trademarks Office would disallow registry in the first place, even for something totally unrelated. So on a purely legal argument, I'd say you've got yourself an urban legend. Glenn R. Stone (gs26@prism.gatech.edu)