Xref: utzoo comp.mail.misc:4433 comp.mail.uucp:5595 comp.mail.sendmail:2456 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!ox.com!tbomb.ice.com!time From: time@tbomb.ice.com (Tim Endres) Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: Which headers may Sendmail re-write? Message-ID: <1CE00001.p376wj@tbomb.ice.com> Date: 5 Dec 90 11:57:58 GMT Reply-To: time@tbomb.ice.com Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc. Lines: 54 X-Mailer: uAccess - Mac Release: 1.0.3 In article <208@frcs.UUCP>, paul@frcs.UUCP (Paul Nash) writes: > The administrator of this particular machine feels that this is > perfectly reasonable, and even desirable, so that mail gets routed > the way that they think fit. However, others of us think that this > is not terribly sociable, and want our addresses left alone. > Disclaimer: I am no email guru, just been into it a long time. This is one of the longer standing debates in mail history. The original philosophy in electronic mail design was that a mailer look at the "envelope address" to work with a piece of mail and *never* touch the "envelope contents". This was fine with a single mailer and a single transport, but alas, along came other mailers and transports. With the divergence of mail mechanisms came the realization that the "envelope address" was sometimes inadequate. To solve this, some mailers began to look at the internals of the "envelope contents" to view the header information and better perform their task. While this was viewed as "wrong", it solved the problem at hand and created few of its own. Then, along came sendmail! The dark force of the mail universe! :^) For some reason, which I have never had fully explained, sendmail found it not only necessary to view headers to determine the means of transporting the letter, but to modify these headers in order to assist in the routing and reply routing of the letter through other sendmails. Mailer purists will tell you that sendmail is evil and breaks the most fundamental of rules. This is my attitude. However, sendmail administrators often have good and valid reasons for doing what they do. Clearly, sendmail performs its duties at many locations without complaints. I guess the bottom line is this: I have *never* met a sendmail installation that did not create problems by munging headers. This is a headache for the administrator as much as the mail user. Now granted, it may be only one problem out of thousands of letters, but sooner or later it happens. As an aside, my mail server recently tossed sendmail away for smail3. This was because 30% of the mail I sent bounced going out, and 40% of the replies never made it back. I am sure that had the sendmail been configured a little more the problem could have been fixed. BUT smail3 fixed the problem right away. It left the headers alone! tim. ------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Endres | time@ice.com ICE Engineering | uunet!ice.com!time 8840 Main Street | Whitmore Lake MI. 48189 | (313) 449 8288 Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com