Xref: utzoo alt.folklore.computers:7638 comp.misc:10707 Path: utzoo!utgpu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ph From: ph@ama-1.ama.caltech.edu (Paul Hardy) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.misc Subject: Re: MULTICS and the Jargon File Message-ID: Date: 4 Dec 90 02:25:09 GMT References: <1YfTW4#8MK9Xf8YJtZH970VXl0fFB3R=eric@snark.thyrsus.com> <1990Dec3.193049.8771@sctc.com> <12248@milton.u.washington.edu> Sender: news@nntp-server.caltech.edu Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 25 In-Reply-To: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU's message of 4 Dec 90 00:43:27 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: ama.caltech.edu In article <12248@milton.u.washington.edu> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes: The other major objectionable thing about the new jargon file (I have marked up hundreds of minor things in a hardcopy of a version of a few months ago) is the banishment of all the PDP-10 entries to a separate appendix. That stuff belongs back in the main body. The PDP-10 may be dead, but there are still a lot of corpses twitching out there, and will be for a long long time. There are many more PDP-10 systems running *today* than there ever were Multics systems. A current DEC-Direct catalogue will show that they offer a $25,000 trade-in value on a KL10. At this kind of price, DEC must not yet consider it a dead machine (though they're working on that :-). Another vote to leave it in the main section. At the risk of beginning a discussion more suitable for alt.religion.computers, TOPS had things that VMS still doesn't (and that's not to mention ITS!) All three of these things (TOPS, ITS, PDP-10) deserve a place of honor in computer history. As far as TECO goes, there's now a native-mode TECO on VMS (edit/teco), so it's still alive and kicking on one OS (though TECO on the 10 was better). (Oops! I mean _is_ better.) There's also a C version floating around in the public domain. --Paul Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com