Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!ucsd!sdcc6!sdbio2!cleland From: cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: A3000UX competition Keywords: Unix A3000 A3000UX NeXT Message-ID: <14659@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Date: 3 Dec 90 09:18:52 GMT References: <453@mathlab.math.ufl.EDU> <93075@aerospace.AERO.ORG> <86470@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Sender: news@sdcc6.ucsd.edu Reply-To: cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 73 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdbio2.ucsd.edu In article <86470@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> varun mitroo writes: >In a previous article, Robert Huebner writes a series of idiotic comments: > >> Of course, we all know "NeXT Guru" is synonymous with "Computer Geek" > >He sound like a geek himself. > Spare us... >> |> 4 Meg of core is a rediculous on a workstation now, just as the 3/50's >> |> are. However, you can get cheap third-party memory. I would worry >> |> about a UNIX vendor that tried to sell me a 4 Meg workstation. Just >> |> how bad is the performance? What CPU/clock-speed are we talking here? >> Commodore's philosophy has always been to sell the minimum and let the >> user upgraade. I'd rather purchase it with 4Meg so I can get the best >> price on the memory. If the memory comes installed you're sure to pay >> more than market value (look at the recent debate re:A3000-25/50 and 25/100) > >4 megs is obviously not enough. Naturally, everybody is going to want to >go through the trouble of getting mail-order memory. Why doesn't Commodore >just sell it with enough memory without putting a mark-up on the memory? > This argument is too ridiculous. I'm sure that whomever you buy your Amiga 3000UX from will be happy to put as much memory in it as you like. > >> |> want it that bad? Instead of (a) keeping your Amiga to do Amiga >> |> things, and (b) getting a workstation to do workstation things? That > - That's what I'm doing - >> I wouldn't call it backward compatability. I think AmigaDOS has more to >> offer than most UNIX/X applications. Especially in graphics and video >> areas. A machine that only runs X-Windows/UNIX would be a real bore. > >Mr. Huebner obviously has no need to run unix. He likes AmigaDos, and is >sore that when Commodore is trying to market the amiga as a unix machine, >it is outmatched by workstations such as SUNs and NeXTs in terms of price >and performance. > Actually, the 3000UX outperforms NeXTs running the same chip. I suspect Display PostScript has a lot to do with that. Amigas run standard UNIX, if you'll permit me to play person from the near future. NeXTs don't. NeXTs have a phenomenally integrated GUI. I have never seen Open Look to compare it to NeXTStep, though as a workstation GUI I doubt it puts so much effort into visual impressiveness as NeXTStep. If it's an improvement over SunView it'll be pretty good. I have to agree that one ought to use workstations to do workstation things. I also think that the 3000UX will be a fine workstation which will of necessity be competitively priced (quotes vary widely on the release price). Comparable to NeXT, outclassed by high-end SPARCstations. I do like the selection of software that comes with NeXTstations. I would worry a bit that more software might be slow in coming, as NeXT more or less purchased most of those ports. The company is innovative enough that I doubt that this will be a crippling problem, however. > > Varun Mitroo > mitroo@cis.ohio-state.edu Thom Cleland tcleland@ucsd.edu -- ---- Thom Cleland "It is easier tcleland@ucsd.edu to get forgiveness Amiga User's Group at UCSD than permission"