Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!att!pacbell.com!ucsd!sdcc6!sdbio2!cleland From: cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: A3000UX competition Message-ID: <14712@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> Date: 4 Dec 90 23:46:54 GMT References: <453@mathlab.math.ufl.EDU> <93075@aerospace.AERO.ORG> <86470@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <14659@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> <4136.275af61c@cc.helsinki.fi> Sender: news@sdcc6.ucsd.edu Reply-To: cleland@sdbio2.ucsd.edu (Thomas Cleland) Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 74 Nntp-Posting-Host: sdbio2.ucsd.edu In article <4136.275af61c@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes: >How interesting. So is the 3000UX even out yet? I suppose it will have a >68030. Well, ALL the NeXTs currently in production have the 68040. And >the old NeXT's are being upgraded. And the NeXTstations and the new >Cubes are out now (you have to wait a bit until you get the machine >though, due to 68040 processor delays). And I think we have been >comparing the 300UX to the NeXTstation. > >> I suspect Display PostScript has a lot to do with that. Amigas >> run standard UNIX, if you'll permit me to play person from the >> near future. NeXTs don't. NeXTs have a phenomenally integrated > >"Stantard UNIX"?!?!? There are 2 main camps on Unix. The other is BSD >and the other AT&T. Both are quite common. Well, NeXT has adopted a >special branch of BSD - Mach - but it is because Mach is the fastest >version (especially for I/O) around (as far as I know) and it can handle >multi-processors (this was a wise move, me thinks). Perhaps you think >that BSD isn't a standard. Well, then you are wrong. > >> workstation things. I also think that the 3000UX will be a fine >> workstation which will of necessity be competitively priced >> (quotes vary widely on the release price). Comparable to NeXT, >> outclassed by high-end SPARCstations. > >I still don't get how you can say that 3000UX is comparable to NeXT. It >is same as comparing a 486 to a 386 (or even worse since NeXT has the >DSP). Only thing that IS comparable in these two machines is the price. > > Jouni Alkio For Christ's sake, this is EXASPERATING. 68030 is not 68040. Don't compare platforms running different chips. It's stupid. The 68040 is finally shipping, both NeXT and Amiga will have them, the NeXT will probably have them on the motherboards first, fine. If you're going to buy a Unix box, you should learn a bit of Unix information. AT&T, BSD, SunOS, and Xenix are uniting into one Unix, the new *INDUSTRY STANDARD*, called System V Release 4. It will be administered by an organization called Unix International, which has many members. AT&T will be taking care of some development, I presume, in concert with Berkeley etc. X Windows and Open Look are a part of this standard. This is the standard being adhered to by Amiga, by Sun, by AT&T, and by most everybody. BSD will continue to run on machines that aren't upgraded, but as an independent development environment for Unix is to be no more. IBM's AIX, Apple's A/UX, and NeXT are not embracing this standard. Workstation vendors are. Commodore is joining them. That is what I mean by industry standard. It seems you have posted the exact same arguments before. Please read the responses you will get before repeating them. There's nothing wrong with NeXTs, indeed there's a great deal right with them, very innovative. Based on what I've seen, I will choose a 3000UX 68030 over a cube and a 3000UX 68040 over a slab. I can wait the extra month or two (actually, I'll have to wait considerably longer :^) ). Why? I want to be industry standard for maximum productivity (given that the standard is adequate, which in this case it is), and I want to spend my bandwidth on applications other than redrawing the screen. I'm glad you like your NeXT. Enjoy it, it's a good machine. -- ---- Thom Cleland "It is easier tcleland@ucsd.edu to get forgiveness Amiga User's Group at UCSD than permission"