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From: scott@shuksan.UUCP (Scott Moody)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: ctrl h in text windows and text panels
Keywords: Openlook Problems and Annoyances
Message-ID: <353@shuksan.UUCP>
Date: 6 Dec 90 14:57:15 GMT
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.
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Problem 1:

I can't figure out how to get CTRL H to equal backspace in
text windows, or text panel items. If it is in the xmodmap stuff
I can't see it. ctrl-h works in shelltool since it is a regular
termcap.


Other problems
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Problem 2:
 on a b/w sparcstation running openlook 2, inserting characters (in vi)
 results in the character under the cursor that is moving to the
 right disappearing (after about 20 characters). 
 I then have to do a refresh to get it back. 
 Unfortunately this doesn't happen all the time.

Problem 3:
  again on a b/2 screen, the box around a text window has a vertical bar
  showing the boundary of the window - inside the main frame. This bar
  isn't always connected and is missing most of it. (which I think 
  is related to problem 2).

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Major Annoyance:
  Openlook took away the list item CYCLE where you could click the cycle 
  icon and the menu choices would cycle through. Now clicking will
  get you the FIRST item. To get to any others you MUST use the menu, 
  adding annoying steps!

Major Annoyance:
  Moving from kernal based sunview to network based xview, I notice lots
  of lost events from the keyboard if the system is loaded. Like I start
  a compile in one window, move to another and start typing (without
  click to type). Three possible things occur:
     (1) the typing goes to the old window
     (2) the typing goes to the bitbucket 
     (3) the typing appears in new window - sometimes delayed.
  I had heard this was a problem with X but for it to happen all the
  time really sucks! We are getting faster machines but slower window
  systems.

Annoyance 1:
  is there anyway to have the cursor return to the start place after pulling
  down a menu (like sunview had). When you pick something that didn't work
  you have to move the cursor all the way back to the top and pull it down
  again.

Annoyance 2:
  once a menu is pulled down from a button, you can't move over 
  to the next menu to pull down (on the next item) without 
  letting go of the mouse. So a mac like interface isn't possible. 
  (try it on the mailtool with all the buttons on top)

Annoyance 3:
  the text panel items show little arrows on the left and right meaning
  there are more characters in those directions. Unfortunately you have
  to click the arrow one at a time! There is no hold arrow down and
  scroll.

Advancement Needed:
  Openlook  needs to add transparent buttons that can be placed
  over areas on the screen so implementation of hyper-like functions
  would be easier.

Thanks for hearing me out. Converting my software from Sunview to Xview
is an experience which isn't too hard, but some things are annoying.

Scott Moody   "The Boeing Mountain Network"
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