Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!oneb!onebdos!Neil.Davis From: Neil.Davis@onebdos.UUCP (Neil Davis) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Protocol review - Botanical I.D. Request Message-ID: <3554.275B3D8B@onebdos.UUCP> Date: 1 Dec 90 20:54:40 GMT Organization: 1B Systems Management Limited, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada Lines: 32 Please suggest possible identity of the following - Only seen once,in winter,to the south of,and within ten miles of Deming, New Mexico. It reminded me of those spiked weapons used by the police or military to puncture vechile tires....'jacks' I think North Americans call them,as in the game.It appeared to be a seed,and for a long time I have thought that it was a giant variety of Tribulus terrestris [ a.k.a. puncture vine;goatshead vine ].That now appears to be unlikely as Tribulus's seeds are hard star-shaped capsules that DIVIDE into 5 sharply 2 HORNED SEGMENTS.As I recall my unknown subject was not segmented. It was approximately 5 cms.total diameter;coloured pale,dilute,yellow ochre as is seen in many plants,especially grasses,when dry;it appeared to be very hard; spines varying in shape and size,none being needle like,all being buttressed at their bases.Though it might be approximated to a spherical outline,it was in fact irregular. The following is not necessary but explains the reason for the request...it also blows my trumpet....I'm Ok with that if it would be appropriate to the protocol and in good taste. I require this information in order to expand my knowledge and ensure accuracy in my book 'Maddog,Englishman,and a Peruvian Paso',a travelogue of a 4000 mile horseback ride from British Columbia,Canada to Texas,and back. Go well,Neil. -- Neil Davis - via IMEx node 89:681/1 Neil.Davis@onebdos.UUCP Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com