Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!yale!mintaka!wookumz.ai.mit.edu!rjc From: rjc@wookumz.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: '030 Ami vs '040 NeXT Message-ID: <1990Dec9.234749.9687@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Date: 9 Dec 90 23:47:49 GMT References: <1990Dec9.224705.24123@rice.edu> Sender: daemon@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu (Lucifer Maleficius) Distribution: usa Organization: None Lines: 85 In article <1990Dec9.224705.24123@rice.edu> jsd@spotted.rice.edu (Shawn Joel Dube) writes: >In article , cy0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chad O. Yoshikawa) writes: >|> >|> In order to compare the 040 to the 030, at least make sure most of the >|> specs match up. Use the price of the NeXT color (NeXTstation Color) >|> which can display 12 bit color (like the Amiga) --$5500 'FOR >|> EDUCATIONAL BUYERS'. compared to the 3000UX for educational buyers. >|> > >So, how much does a 3000UX cost???????? $6000????? The point he was trying to make was. To bring the Amiga up to an 040 it will cost about $1000. To bring the NeXT up to Color, it costs $5000. Not to mention the fact, that Display Postscript wastes most of that CPU power away. The NeXT could have been a vector/ray-tracing powerhouse with that i860. BTW, wasn't it Jobs, or some NeXT engineer who said 'We beleive 90% of the CPU should be dedicated to the User Interface.' >In comparing the machines, you want the specs to match up. But >what about the non-specs like the user interface. The NeXT's environment >is much more professionally done than the Amiga. I feel that the >NeXT's interface makes the Amiga's look like sh*t. That's a matter of opionion. I think ADOS 2.0 looks great. Of course, on the A3000 you have a choice between ADOS2.0, or Xwindows/Openlook. >If you want everything to be the same, how much more does the 3000UX >cost with a 2.88 meg disk drive (or does it exsist???). Who cares. How does Foobar cost with Xx meg floppy? May I remind you that 10 and 20 meg floppies are just around the corner. >Why don't you buy a Cray so won't have to defend your machine??? :-) The problem is, we shouldn't have to defend our machine. I remember when Amiga users used to attack Ibm users when we didn't have our large installed base (2 million). Now NeXT users keep coming into csa starting wars. This NeXT war has been started up atleast 4 times already. I don't care if the NeXT had 500 MIPs and costs 10 cents. The point of having my Amiga is because I LIKE IT, its FUN. Unix is boring. >PS. I don't own an Amiga or a NeXT (and not even an IBM) Since you don't own any of those, why not buy a NeXT, or a Vic 20? >-- >rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >r ___ _ "...but then there was the r >r /__ | \ possibility that they were r >r ___/hawn |__\ube LaRouche democrats which, of r >r jsd@owlnet.rice.edu course, were better off dead." r >rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr This thread keeps harping on the same old stuff, 040 vs 030, NextDimension, Display postscript,BSD vs ATT. DO NeXT users somehoe think that their motherboard is so superior, that a NexT running with Unix and Display Postscript will beat an AMiga with an 040 running AmigaDOS or SYSV? The simple answer is, when you pop an 040 into the Amiga at the same clock speed, the Amiga will run just as fast. (probably faster since the Amiga user interface doesn't hog as much CPU as the NeXT) But whats the point? If the Amiga or NeXT are +/- .5 MIPS of each other, is that going to make any noticable speed improvement? The NeXT isn't the ultimate computer workstation on the face of the earth. Its finally up the performance of the other workstations that have been around forawhile. (Like Sun Sparc,etc) In todays computer market where most computers are around the same performance, purchases are made based on PERSONAL taste, not 'Hey this computer squeezes .3 more mips out thru XX bus design, and is YY dollars cheaper.' And how long can Job's keep these prices? They aren't going to last long. All he's trying to do is get the computer OUT QUICK so it has a fairly sized user base. Then he will jack the price back up. Even if the A3000 UX doesn't sell all that well, Commodore isn't going to go bankrupt, they still have the rest of their computer line. (C64, PC compats, A500/2000/2500) But if the NeXT doesn't sell, the company is going to go down the drain.