Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: DN10000 disk space [actually a DN/OSF-1 critque] Message-ID: <1990Dec8.165826.3094@alphalpha.com> Date: 8 Dec 90 16:58:26 GMT References: <90Dec6.172904est.57368@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> <1990Dec7.034301.29493@midway.uchicago.edu> Organization: asi Lines: 46 In article hanche@imf.unit.no (Harald Hanche-Olsen) writes: >In article <1990Dec7.034301.29493@midway.uchicago.edu> rtp1@quads.uchicago.edu (raymond thomas pierrehumbert) writes: > > I have looked at a lot of machines, and for floating point performance, > if you get all four processors and especially if you count on the > new 2x processor upgrade, the 10k is a very fine piece of hardware. >[...] > However: (get out your ear trumpets, HP), THE DISKS cripple the > DN10k. > >Just adding my two cents' worth here: Yes, for floating point it's a >great machine. However I am not impressed with its interactive >response when used by several users simultaneously. Apparently task You can add this to my "pads are not terminals" statement. Apollo's are not multi-user machines. They were supposed to make that obsolete too. Frankly, if there are things you like in Aegis/DomainOS, push to make sure they make it to the OSF/1 crossover. If they do, then Apollo's OSF/1 product is going to make it worthwhile to stick with Apollos. If they don't, then you might as well look elsewhere (unless the price/performance curve is better on the Apollo). It's for this reason that I think HP is making an incredibly stupid mistake in not supporting OSF/1 on the DN machines. I don't buy the support argument - if they support OSF/1 on DN's, then they can phase out support for DomainOS all that sooner. And supporting multiple hardware platforms has *got* to be easier than supporting mulitple OS's; even if you farm out the OS support to India or something. The only other argument is that my DN machines are going to be obsolete, and I don't buy that either. If I can be relatively happy running SR10.2 and X on a DN3000, then I surely don't think I'll be unhappy running OSF/1 on that machine. I seriously doubt that it's going to be either bigger or slower. In fact I rather expect that paging and context switching (my two biggest problems) ought to get *better*. -- Alphalpha Software, Inc. | motif-request@alphalpha.com nazgul@alphalpha.com |----------------------------------- 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | Proline BBS: 617/641-3722 I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.