Path: utzoo!attcan!telly!lethe!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cica!iuvax!silver!kclenden From: kclenden@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kevin Clendenien) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: If you insult Atari employees they'll just leave Message-ID: <76958@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 7 Dec 90 06:14:31 GMT References: <36556@cup.portal.com> <1990Dec5.080533.23844@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <36587@cup.portal.com> <1990Dec6.152600.21698@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 80 In article <1990Dec6.152600.21698@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: ->In article <36587@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: ->>What I find most interesting is that when "Atari employees" or other ->>Atari Cheerleaders cannot find anything to say to defend Atari's actions, ->>they almost invariably resort to personal attacks... ->> ->>Instead of trying to come up with some rationale for the way Atari does ->>things, or providing us with any hard facts, they call names... ->> ->>Read back over this thread and see who brought it down to a personal level.. -> ->I agree completely. At no time in the past have I insulted anyone, used ->foul language or showered anyone with personal abuse, yet I see these ->"Cheerleaders" resorting to those kind of arguments all the time. If ->you have anything of worth to say, say it. Personal attacks only make ->you look foolish. -> ->> ->>BobR -> ->Cheers, -> ->Chris -> ->------------------------------+--------------------------- ->Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns ->cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! ->(c)All rights reserved. | ->Send flames to /dev/null | ->------------------------------+--------------------------- Well, I don't think this is really true. Just the fact that you've written these notes prove you wrong. If you guys are so sparkling clean, why did you find it necessary to generalize about Atari employees, and happy Atari users by saying that they always resort to personal attacks when that can't think of any facts. Seems to me that you guys are getting a little personal here. I have seen useful information come from both Bob and Chris. I wish they would tone down their criticism a little, but normally there is at least some merit to their criticism. I don't think that people should be talking about preventing them from writing notes at all. It has been said before, and I'll say it again. If you don't like what Chris and Bob are writing, either set up a kill file, or just don't read their notes. I knew Allan Pratt when he lived here in Bloomington. If he could put up with me, and Cat, I'm sure that he can ignore the complaints that he sees here. It would be nice if people would thank him, and John, and the other Atari employees more often. They are spending their own time to respond to notes. I wish that Atari would do a lot of things differently, but they are a small company. They have a plan, whether it's apparent to you, me, Bob, Chris, or even Allan. They've been very sucessful in Europe. I'm co-oping with IBM right now, and I guarantee you that IBM displays many of the same faults that Atari does. Promises about software that never materializes. Trust me, Atari does not have a monopoly on missed opportunities. If a company as large as IBM can piss off customers, I don't see why people should try to judge Atari any differently. I got to see the SHARE songbook a couple of weeks ago. What is the SHARE songbook? Well, SHARE is a national IBM users group. Their songbook is a very large collection of songs written by IBM customers about IBM hardware and software. I skimmed through a small portion of the songs (maybe 20 or so), and all of them were very derogatory. Gosh, this turned out to be longer than what I had originally intended. I'll summarize by saying that I'd much prefer an open discussion that included negative views, as well as positive views to a closed discussion that policed each note that was written. And lastly, I'd like to thank Allan Pratt, John Townsend, and the other Atari employees that take the time to read, and respond in this forum. It may not always be apparent, but your efforts are greatly appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu Kevin Clendenien BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573 BLAST member "I want someone like you, only nicer."