Xref: utzoo comp.sys.next:10537 alt.religion.computers:2162 Path: utzoo!utgpu!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!usc!apple!agate!shelby!neon!neon!gumby From: gumby@Cygnus.COM (David Vinayak Wallace) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next,alt.religion.computers Subject: lawsuit flame (Was: NeXTStep 2.0 Completed) Message-ID: Date: 10 Dec 90 06:02:59 GMT References: <352@atncpc.UUCP> <57237@brunix.UUCP> <356@atncpc.UUCP> <359@atncpc.UUCP> Sender: news@Neon.Stanford.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: Cygnus Support Lines: 64 In-Reply-To: bruce@atncpc.UUCP's message of 2 Dec 90 22:28:03 GMT It's a good thing I put flame in the subject; people who don't care can skip this. I tried to use a euphemism to avoid hurting Mr. Henderson's feelings but he went off the deep end. On the other hand it did have one positive benefit. In words of few syllables: o - If you think that Ashton Tate's lawsuits are reasonable, that's your business. I disagree with you, but so what -- reasonable people may disagree. o - If you worry that Ashton Tate's lawsuits set a dangerous precedent, then we agree. o - But if you claim to oppose them and then tacitly go along with them then I think you are at best a hypocrite. If L&F lawsuits are ultimately upheld then our ability as programmers to change jobs at will (continuing to work in the same area) will be restricted. Again, if you think this is reasonable, that's your business. But it's hard to claim that you are against it while you help sustain the company. Remember the pitiful poem: When they came for the Jews I said nothing because I was not a Jew. When they came for the Catholics I said nothing because I was not a Catholic. When they came for me nobody said anything, for there was nobody left to stop them. I am not willing to stand by and let these companies restrict my freedom to work on what I want -- either as a consumer or producer of software. If you think it's reasonable, we may respectfully disagree. But I am offended by someone's trying to duck responsibility by saying "yes I think it's terrible but it's not my responsibility" (the exact words, in <356@atncpc.UUCP>, were "The F*$%&ing lawsuits of Ashton Tate embarass and annoy the hell out of me, too.") Take a real stand, Mr Henderson, since you brought it up! Oh, the positive benefit was due to my message provoking a much harsher reponse from Mr. Henderson in personal mail rather than on the net. I don't understand what, if any, relationship it has to my missive, but at least it propounds a more firm position on SOME issue (punctuation and spelling intact): Date: Sun, 2 Dec 90 14:30:48 PST From: labrea!atncpc!jupiter!bruce@apple.com (Bruce Henderson) To: gumby@cygnus.com (David Vinayak Wallace) Subject: lawsuit flame (Was: NeXTStep 2.0 Completed) David, Look Are you some sort of racist bastard? Do you hate Jews as well? Your kind of cross burning , Jew killing, job descriminating attitude is exactly what makes me want to really go out and do some damage. You can flame me and Ashton Tate all you want, but your racist comments are not welcome I feel that by supporting Ashton Tate you are already doing some damage, but it is unclear to me from any of your statements whether you feel the same. What sort of damage have you in mind? Curious as to whither this may lead, --d