Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!pacbell.com!ucsd!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!miamiu!jahayes From: JAHAYES@MIAMIU.BITNET (Josh Hayes) Newsgroups: bionet.molbio.evolution Subject: Re: species and speciation Message-ID: <90348.121339JAHAYES@MIAMIU.BITNET> Date: 14 Dec 90 17:13:39 GMT References: <27415.2765f79a@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service Lines: 30 Interesting you should bring this up now; our normally placid Monday seminar erupted into a rather spirited discussion of the species concept and the value of molecular data. It seems to me that "species" as some sort of Platonic Ideal form has long since passed away. It ought to be admitted that we define things as species in some utilitarian manner, that is, in order to address some particular interest, such as which populations are able to interbreed, and so forth. I would argue that there is no such thing as a species independent of the question we wish to address to the population of organisms under consideration. We've come to realize that the world does not operate under the rigid hierarchical structure that Aristotle proposed, and which has been reified by Linnaeus and those who followed. The world is a continuous (to our perceptions) place; why expect that living things will compartmentalize into a neat discrete classification? (I also wonder where this thread belongs; there is no molecular biology involved thus far, but there is no [or at least we don't receive] bionet.philosophy.evolution. Followups to wherever you think appropriate.) Cheers, Josh Hayes, Zoology Department, Miami University, Oxford OH 45056 voice: 513-529-1679 fax: 513-529-6900 jahayes@miamiu.bitnet, or jahayes@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu "I am the Supreme Being, you know; I'm not completely dim."