Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!cbo From: cbo@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Calvin Olsen) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: Re: The Future of Buses (and Futurebus) Message-ID: <2170004@hprnd.rose.hp.com> Date: 12 Dec 90 20:50:17 GMT References: <43922@mips.mips.COM> Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division Lines: 48 In comp.arch, mark@mips.COM (Mark G. Johnson) writes: I have a complaint about Futurebus: if you want to build a really high clockrate bus, they specified a less-than-optimum connector, DuPont's "Metral". A Futurebus+ claim to fame is: technology independent logical protocols. Your mileage certainly does vary, depending on implementation choices. On the downside, the parasitic inductance and capacitance of Metral is very high, which limits its applicability in very high speed (sub 15ns) backplanes.... From the standpoint of parasitic inductance and capacitance, MUCH better connectors are available; for example, the *worst* pin in the RC6280's backplane bus connector has far _less_ L and C than the *best* pin in the Metral. Unquestionably, there are better connectors (electrically and otherwise). Given that the limitations to performance in the Futurebus protocols are primarily physics limitations, and assuming that implementations are stumbling across the connector as THE high bar on the pareto of limitations for MOST applications, the connector choice might be reconsidered. To date, the Fb+ working group members have yet to be convinced that the connector itself is currently or will be in the near future the primary cause for implementation concern. I'm not trying to defend the Metral design, but we're talking products and marketing here. Seemingly the Futurebus committee has decided that higher performance connectors are desirable; word is out that a new revision of the Futurebus spec will permit two other, mechanically incompatible, connectors in addition to Metral..... and these two other connectors have much lower L, C, and crosstalk. Pretty appealing, no? Within the physical portion of the standard (896.2), "profiles" may specify any connector. To date, however, most commercially-driven profiles (A/B/F) have specified the Metral design, at least publically. Profile D, the "desktop" (EISA) form factor, could actually deliver better performance than the Metral, and at significantly lower cost. Certainly other connector schemes could do as well or better. As always, weighing the cost vs net performance benefit for a given application/market is necessary. -- -- Mark Johnson MIPS Computer Systems, 930 E. Arques M/S 2-02, Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (408) 524-8308 mark@mips.com {or ...!decwrl!mips!mark} Calvin Olsen (not speaking on bahalf of) Hewlett Packard cbo@hprnd.rose.hp.com (916) 785-4291