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From: clh@tfic.bc.ca (Chris Hermansen)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Unscrupulous posting
Message-ID: <1990Dec14.035056.25039@tfic.bc.ca>
Date: 14 Dec 90 03:50:56 GMT
References: <1990Dec4.215711.2508@oracle.com> <1990Dec7.023519.9020@informix.com> <1990Dec12.001604.19357@informix.com> <131@thinc.UUCP>
Reply-To: clh@tacitus.UUCP (Chris Hermansen)
Organization: Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
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In article <131@thinc.UUCP> ethan@thinc.UUCP (Ethan Lish of THINC) writes:
>In article <1990Dec12.001604.19357@informix.com>, randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>>> In 1990Dec7.164302.21543@oracle.com Dennis Moore writes:
>> 
>>>And my opinion is worth just as much as Randall's to any customer hoping to
>>>make a decision on a development strategy for the future.  Zilch.
>> 
>>How come?  Why is your opinion, or my opinion, worth "zilch"?  
>
>            _WE_ don't care about either of your opinions!

Bug off, Mr. Lish!  You don't speak for me, and I'm both a reader of this
group and a consumer.  Say

             _I_

Please!

>
>Leave the opinions to the consumer! 
>
>A RDBMS Consumer (at least in my case) looks to the RDBMS vendor 
>for _Expert_ (sometimes inside) Product Information.
>
>This Information should address both strengths, limitations ( and especially
>how to overcome those limitations), and strategies.
>
>So _DONT_ take up bandwidth with senseless nonesense about my opinion is
>better than his opinion....tell me the facts;

Ahem, Mr. Lish, but this stuff looks pretty much like "opinions" (I won't
call it "senseless nonsense") to me:

>
>		========		
>		INFORMIX	
>		========
>Strengths:
>	Language is both Procedural and Non-Procedural
>	4GL and RDSQL Source Code are Portable
>	Query by Example
>	SQL ANSI II
>	Product Range
>	Debugger
>	Turbo Engine has a "Monitor"
>	Rapid Development System
>
>Weaknesses:
>	No Application Generator
>	Limited String Manipulation
>	Limited Editor
>	No Data Dictionary
>
>		======
>		ORACLE
>		======
>Strengths:
>	PC to Mainframe Portability
>	Distributed
>	Performance
>	DB2, SQL/DS Compatablity
>	Security
>	OLTP Option
>	Case Tools
>
>Weaknesses:
>	No 4GL
>	Poor and Lengthy Documentation
>	Huge Memory Requirements
>	No Run-Time Packages
>	Referential Integrity

In particular, I note a "misstatement" or two in the Informix column (no
application generator? guess RDS doesn't count;  not sure what a "limited
editor", but I use vi with mine...).  I'm sure Oracle users can comment
on your characterization of their platform, as well.

As Mr. Rhea said, anyone's opinions can be interesting, and you should
take them all with a grain of salt.

Besides, I think the original discussion was centered around whether or
not the specific "opinions" of Mr. Rhea constituted ill-judged commercial
promotion of his company's products, not whether Mr. Rhea was entitled
to express his "opinions" on the net.  See the subject line.

Just an opinion from

Chris Hermansen                         Timberline Forest Inventory Consultants
Voice: 1 604 733 0731                   302 - 958 West 8th Avenue
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C'est ma facon de parler.