Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!agate!shelby!unix!hplabs!hpcc05!hpcuhb!hpda!hpcupt1!hprnd!pat From: pat@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Pat Thaler) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans Subject: Re: Lightning Protection Message-ID: <2230132@hprnd.rose.hp.com> Date: 14 Dec 90 00:29:04 GMT References: <403@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu> Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division Lines: 79 First a disclaimer: My field of expertise is LANs, particularly IEEE 802.3 and 10BASE-T, not safety. You should consult a safety engineer about what is required in the way of surge suppression and fusible links in your situation. Also, my opinions are my own and not necessarily those of IEEE 802.3. In comp.dcom.lans, kwe@buit13.bu.edu (Kent England) writes: (After recommending using fiber instead.) If you insist on twisted pair, you will end up with problems due to ground potential differences and the way that Ethernet interface manufacturers and PC makers ground their equipment. In any case, it is best not to rely on the end node to deal with potentially large ground potential differences, particularly those induced by lightning strikes. It is very expensive to replace lots of PC components after every summer thunderstorm. Walt Haas relates an experience with an RS-232 link which someone ran between buildings. I agree with Kent and Walt that it would be best to use fiber optics between buildings, but the statements about grounding do not apply to 10BASE-T. (The question of finding adequate surge suppressors and the limited distance do apply.) There is a fundamental difference between 10BASE-T and RS-232. RS-232 sends single ended signals and a ground between the DTEs at each end. Differences in ground potentials at the two ends of the link can cause the link to fail to function. Larger differences in ground potenetials can damage equipement or even cause safety hazards. 10BASE-T sends differential signals with no ground path between the equipment. It does not depend on connected equipment being at a uniform ground potential. Single-ended signalling would be unlikely to be reliable over twisted pair at this data rate and distance. The 10BASE-T standard requires isolation between the twisted pairs and the equipment which will withstand one of the following electric strength tests: 1500 Vrms at 50 to 60 Hz for one minute (see IEC 435, 5.3.3) or, 2250 Vdc for 1 minute (see IEC 435, 5.3.3) or, 2400 V impulse test (10 impulses with peak voltage of 2400 V, 1.2 us rise time, 50 us fall time, rep rate of not less than 1 sec; see IEC Publication 60). These values of isolation are the same as those in ECMA-97 Local Area Networks Safety Requirements. (You may want to get a copy of this as it discusses safety and interbuilding cables. ECMA is the European Computer Manufacturers Association.) This isolation is also on a par with isolation values generally used in telephone equipement. Why such high values of isolation?: Service between buildings was not an objective of 10BASE-T and the distance of 100 m is short for a between building application. However, it is likely for 10BASE-T connections to share patch panels and wire bundles with phone service. This implies a possibility of misconnection of 10BASE-T equipment to wires going outside the building. Therefore, it is prudent to require the same kind of isolation necessary for saftey in case of such a misconnection. The isolation listed is not enough by itself to provide safety in case of direct lightning strikes. It is my understanding that cables coming into the building should be protected with surge suppression devices which limit the voltage to 1500 V peak or less and with fusible links which protect the surge suppression devices from a high power fault such as a mains fault. These then limit transient voltages inside the building to the point where the isolation protects the user and (probably) the equipment. (I say probably because a very fast rise time transient might produce enough differential signal to damage the receiver.) At least some surge suppressors have a lot of capacitance. Connecting them may cause unacceptable degredation of the signal. I don't know if devices are available which will provide the protection needed without degrading the signal. This is particularly true when the link is near maximum length because you can't tolerate much degredation. If there are devices which work, I would like to hear about them. Pat Thaler