Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!bbn.com!drilex!dricejb From: dricejb@drilex.UUCP (Craig Jackson drilex1) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Capacity of a Channel (Was: Inexpensive 9600 baud modems) Keywords: Shannon, 9600, V.32, V.42, bis Message-ID: <18902@drilex.UUCP> Date: 14 Dec 90 02:20:34 GMT References: <136548@pyramid.pyramid.com> <16309@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1990Dec10.162413.13959@sparrms.ists.ca> <1990Dec11.185205.13752@wsrcc.com> Organization: DRI/McGraw-Hill, Lexington, MA Lines: 29 In article <1990Dec11.185205.13752@wsrcc.com> wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht) writes: >Also, remember that the 3.4 kHz is the MINIMUM bandwidth the phone >line will present to the modem. The sky is the limit. Don't folks >regularly send 10 Mhz ethernet connections over (admittedly shorter >sections of) these wires? I believe 64k baud ISDN links actually go >from the CO to your jack over these same wires. The trick here is >that it is fairly easy to get good freq responses out of short >sections of twisted pair. Its just that long runs are killers. The >specs are a worst case spec. In practice bandwidth is (hopefully) >going to be much better. A dry local loop is indeed capable of much higher bandwidth--suitable for ISDN, etc. However, the nature of twisted pair is that it is capacitive, which tends to attenuate the highs. Long local loops (over 1 km or more) have inductance added, in the form of 'loading coils'. These basically kill ISDN, etc for that loop. Also, nearly all connections which are not completed within a single exchange go through some form of frequency-division multiplexed link (known as 'carrier' of various sorts). These do indeed go through filters. >I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the 18k tb+ spec assumed that you >connected the two modems with a 3ft section of phone patch cord. Naw.... if that were true, they'd have claimed 10Mbps... -- Craig Jackson dricejb@drilex.dri.mgh.com {bbn,axiom,redsox,atexnet,ka3ovk}!drilex!{dricej,dricejb}