Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uunet!hayes!tnixon From: tnixon@hayes.uucp Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Telebits "PEP" protocol Message-ID: <3693.2768a08e@hayes.uucp> Date: 14 Dec 90 09:51:10 GMT References: <1990Dec8.025415.2920@amd.com> <8sHZT4w163w@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> <3592@jaytee.East.Sun.COM> Distribution: na Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA Lines: 57 In article <3592@jaytee.East.Sun.COM>, gsteckel@vergil.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Steckel - Sun BOS Hardware) writes: > Open letter to Telebit: if you think PEP is worth anything, licence > it (with or without fee). Otherwise it will be bypassed by a (possibly > inferior) but widely available standard. V.32 is coming up fast. It's clear that most people are not aware of activities in CCITT Study Group XVII (the international standards committee on modems) and TIA TR-30 (the US national standards committee on modems) related to PEP. I'm an active participant in these and other standards organizations, and maybe I can shed some light on it. Telebit has been trying for at least five years to get the standards community to buy into multicarrier modulation, and have failed. There are many technical reasons: the long propagation delay through a multicarrier system, the half-duplex nature (echo cancellation capability is claimed, but has not been demonstrated even on paper), the complexities of supporting synchronous communications and async comm without buffering and flow control, etc. Telebit's persistence in trying to get multicarrier considered as the modulation standard for "V.asym" (asymmetrical modem standard) stalled, and eventually killed, that project. It turned into "V.17", an application-specific modulation technique for high-speed Group 3 fax, rather than the general-purpose low-cost high-speed modem it was intended to be. Now, the CCITT is working on the "V.fast" standard (full-duplex modulation above 14,400bps), and once again Telebit has proposed multicarrier. The schedule calls for test results of a full-duplex system to be available at the SG XVII meeting in April; the group can't wait any longer than that, or they won't be able to complete work by the end of 1992 (the scheduled completion date for V.fast). The Codex's, General Datacomm's, and Racal-Milgo's of the world won't let this project be stalled the way V.asym was stalled. I sincerely hope that Telebit can demonstrate multicarrier echo cancellation, because I'd like to see multicarrier get fair consideration; but I'm not optimistic. The problem is not that Telebit has been unwilling to license their patents related to multicarrier modulation, or has been keeping it secret. In fact, they've been quite open about how it works (in multitudinous contributions to TIA and CCITT) and actively trying to sell licenses, but have been met with a resounding yawn. A couple of companies licensed the technology, including Ven-Tel and Anderson-Jacobsen, and Intelligent Modem Corporation (Forval) apparently has come up with a different multicarrier scheme (and is supporting multicarrier in SG XVII for V.fast). But most modem companies want their products to serve a broad spectrum of applications, and this means providing true full-duplex modems with low propagation delay. -- Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-449-8791 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 USA | Internet hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net