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From: CDCKAB%EMUVM1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu ( Karl Brendel)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.pascal
Subject: Re: selling old Borland software
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Date: 12 Dec 90 18:43:07 GMT
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In article 4959@dogie.macc.wisc.edu, pschwart@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Paul
 Schwartz) writes:

>In article <25246@adm.brl.mil>, CDCKAB%EMUVM1.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu ( Karl
> Brendel) writes...
>>
>>       Bunch of stuff about  Borland's No-Nonsense License Statement!
>>
>>
>>Nowhere in the statement is any indication given that you cannot sell
>>old versions, just as you would sell an outdated textbook, as long as
>>you don't retain a copy of what you sell.
>>
>    TRUE.  But you cannot upgrade a textbook.

It depends on what you mean by "upgrade", I suppose. More to the
point, when Borland said, "just like a book ... single exception",
they gave up all rights to further restrict your disposition of your
old versions...

>
>    Alas, over my confussion I called Borland.  They said if I want to sell
>my TP 5.5 I need to send them a letter agreeing to the following conditions:
>        I give up all rights to use TP 5.5
>        I have no copies of TP 5.5 on disk
>        I have no copies of TP 5.5 on my computer
>        And, I give up all future upgrade rights to TP 5.5

[remainder deleted]

...OR to "require" letters from you before you dispose of your old
versions!

Here's another report from Borland customer service, with a name and
personal extension to check it out. From the RIME (BBS network)
Turbo Pascal conference:

Date: 12-10-90 (21:15)              Number: 3198 of 3206
  To: ALL INTERESTED PARTIES!       Refer#: 3002
From: MIKE .........                  Read: NO
Subj: (R)TURBO PASCAL 3 AND 5.0     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
Conf: TURBOPASCAL (245)          Read Type: GENERAL

To All Interested Parties,

   This  thread  has  been most interesting.  Everyone  here  has
spent considerable time speculating on an issue that could have been
resolved with a simple phone call.  Well, enough already.  I called
Borland today (12/10/90) to put this issue to rest.  I found out
some VERY interesting things!

   First:  If your upgrade came complete with a full set of manuals
(not just  an  addendum,  such  as came with TP 5.5  upgrades),  you
may  do whatever  you wish with the copy that you are upgrading
from.  You  may give it away.  You may sell it.  You may burn it.
As far as Borland  is concerned,  you  own it (that's right _OWN_
it) and you can do  with  it what you wish!

   Furthermore, if you transfer ownership of your old version to
someone else,  that other party may notify Borland of that fact and
as  the  new owner  (there's  that word again!) this person is
entitled to  the  same fine support that you enjoyed will you owned
(!) the product.  In other words:

        Ronald Reagan upgrades to TP 6.0.  Mommy makes him sell his
        TP 5.5.  He  sells it to George Bush.  George  calls
        Borland  and tells  them  that he just purchased TP 5.5  S/N
        1234567  from Ronald  Reagan.  George  may  now enjoy
        Borland  support  as  a registered TP 5.5  user,  Ron may
        not.  Ron, however, may still enjoy the full support he
        deserves as a TP 6.0 user.

   And that is what Borland's no-nonsense liscense policy is about.
No need for copyright lawyers to use the product.

   BTW,  anyone  who  refuses to take my word for it  can  call
Borland themselves.  Vince said that he didn't mind if quoted him
and  referred any  callers  to  him.  He can be reached either  by
calling  Borland's switchboard -  (408) 438-8400  - and and asking
for him (he is the  only Vince there) or you can call his extension
directly - (408) 439-1315.

[remainder of RIME article deals with the continuing availability of
Turbo Pascal 3 for some systems]

Don't worry about the letters when you sell your obsolete version,
Paul. ;)

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