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From: hunter@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au (James Gardiner [hunter])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: NeXT and Amiga3000UX
Message-ID: <1990Dec14.080201.5703@phoenix.pub.uu.oz.au>
Date: 14 Dec 90 08:02:01 GMT
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In <673@storm.UUCP> bostrov@storm.UUCP (Vareck Bostrom) writes:

>>I wanna see specs before I believe that, especially considering the slowness of 
>Ok, I am assuming that the SPARCstation-1 and the SLC are the same speed. 
>I have tested a SS-1 but not a SLC, and I have also tested a SS-1+ and an
>SS-2, as well as 4/490's 4/390's, and 4/330's. In Floating point, the
>NeXT easily beats the Sparcstation-1, the 1+, and the 4/3xx and 4/4xx. 
>In integer (almost useless, but anyway) the NeXT manages to tie almost
>exactly the ss-1+. Here are some marks:

>Machine		Dhrystones		MFlops
>NeXT 030/25mhz	7204			
>Amiga (030/25)	6990.3	
From MY basic knowledge, AmigaDos WOULD HAVE TO BE less of a system 
overhead then UNIX.  This makes your TESTS more like Standardized
statistics.


>I couldn't see actual heavy duty sci work being done on an ami/040, as
>that is getting close to your maximum cpu power, and you have to expand the
>graphics by a power of 10 to get workstation quality (IM TALKING res, not
>color. 4096 isn't bad). Also I haven't found any good optimization compilers
The standard amiga Video quality is OK.  Like the Next/Sun etc.  there are
FAST million colour video boards comming out but, like Next,Sun,etc,
They cost an arm, leg, etc.

>for the Ami, and this leaves many of the programs that scientists run
>dead in the water. (when i say scientists, I mean scientists/engineers, etc.).
>Also, everywhere I go where there are workstations installed, I see Suns,
>NeXT's (on occasion), MIPS, DECs, IBM rs/6000's, but NEVER any amigas. I
>wonder why? Well, as of now, there is no Ami/Unix (though I have heard and
>seen samples of r4 on an ami) there is no 040 ami (once again, ive seen
>samples), mid to poor system through put, etc. An 030 machine just isn't
>a serious workstation, paticulary without unix. The NeXT IS a unix workstation,
>though up till receintly there has been no 040 for it, all along it has 
>run unix. 
Yes Next is a real unix workstation.  Amiga users want MORE then just
a Nice UNIX workstation.

>Anyway, both have their uses. I LOVE the amiga to play games on. It is without 
>a doubt the most devoloped games machine ever. It is fast (for a game machine),
>and can be used for other things besides games. 
I find this offensive, "most developed games machine ever"
If a Sparc1 was as much as a 500 to buy then it would be a much bigger games
machine then an amiga.  Just because its inexpensive, bought by young
people that like to play games and Software companies supply these games,
does not make it a games machine.

From what I have read about Next in comp.sys.amiga, I have become interested in
looking at one.  It may be a nice unix machine, but in either case, there
is still enough room for a Amiga 3000UX on my desk as well.

Hunter
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